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Pachter says s*&^ as usual.



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Will the Xbox One come with a Wii U or PS4? I'd buy one if that were the "exciting" holiday promotion, Pachter.



Nighthawk117 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
wary-wallaroo said:
And the game of Limbo continues, how low can they go?

Honestly, aren't they risking devaluing the brand? At this point, anyone with a brain is probably thinking "hmmm, there's a new price cut/promotion every month, might as well wait till it's cheaper next month".

At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year and I see no reason why someone would jump in now. Might as well just wait.

What the hell are you talking about? Trying to get people to buy your console is a bad thing these days? I guess you just want MS to roll over and let the Xbox die, smh. 


Of course MS should continue to fight, but they should do it in a manner that doesn't alienate their hard core fans - those early adopters who bought the system in Nov. '13 without the benefit of a free game.

Did Sony ever bundle the PS3 with a free game when the 360 was kicking its ass???  Of course both systems bundled games for Black Friday, but MS continued the effort with their annual "Spring Bundles."

Bottom line, I predict both FH2 and SO will fail to live up to expectations as the XB1 hardcore fans, those early adopters, are not so keen on their system these days largely because they feel betrayed by MS proper.  Lastly, there will not be a FH3 or a SO2, because of this sentiment. 


This is a silly and useless post. How the hell are you speaking like your opinion it fact? You know that userbase feels betrayed? How? Please explain this bullshit



starcraft said:
thismeintiel said:
starcraft said:

Please point me to an official price cut on any SKU - then I will happily cede you the point

Was the entry price dropped?  Yes.  Was there ever a $399 SKU before the removal of Kinect?  Nope.  That means there was a price cut.  Just because they took out Kinect so they wouldn't lose so much money on the price cut doesn't mean there wasn't one.  You can use whatever weird reasoning that there wasn't a cut (like the SKU replacement BS from last gen), and you and some of the more zelous Xbox fans can agree.  But for me, the majority on this site, AND average customers everywhere, there WAS a price cut.  And that's all that counts.

I think perhaps you need to familiarise yourself with discussions more fully before entering into them.

No one in this thread, least of all me, has denied that the entry price for an Xbox One experience has lowered, officially, one time. As you point out, the original SKU remains at its launch price.

But what has occured in this thread, is the suggestion that Microsoft has in some way embarked upon a series of rash price cuts - something that is clearly untrue. Like-for-like, an Xbox One with Kinect costs what it always has. A Xbox One sans Kinect is offered at a lower price, that also hasn't moved.

You can say something over and over again, and many in this thread have, it won't make it more true. When you have people saying an Xbox One is going to cost $200 in twelve months time, you should probably be examining who's ideas you're getting into bed with

Edit: I see one person has claimed the entry price has not dropped - which is incorrect.

Interesting choice of words for one arguing there has been no price cut. 

Still, I'm not going to pursue this any further.  It's the same thing as last gen.  Xbox fans went on and on about no price cuts, using ridiculous reasoning, while everyone else knew what was up.  And let's not forget the temporary price cut to $449 for the XBO w/ Kinect and Titanfall.

And while I agree there hasn't been a ton of price cuts, it's seems like more since it's been less than a year since it launched.  Plus, all the XBOs with 1 or 2 free games.  None of which has done much.  Which leads me to believe whatever MS has planned this holiday season will do little, as well.



starcraft said:
thismeintiel said:
starcraft said:

No Xbox One SKU has received a price cut since launch in the USA.

Cool story though!

What is it with some Xbox fans and their incessant battle to make people think that Xbox's never get a price cut?  You guys did the same thing last gen.  "Oh, it's not a price cut, they just replaced a SKU.  Man, Xbox hasn't got a price cut in 6 years."  You do realize that only people in your own fanbase buy that, right?

@ OP

I doubt there is much they can do to combat the massive boost the PS4 is going to get this holiday season.  Both MS and Sony are undoubtedly going to have Black Friday SKUs for $349, with or without a game.  The only thing that would help is if MS went even lower to $299.  Of course, I doubt they will do that.

Please point me to an official price cut on any SKU - then I will happily cede you the point


Starcraft i was hoping you would not respond. This guy almost always takes digs at xbox fans in his posts. He definitely wants to keep the fake "war" going.



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First, I dislike the use of the term 'desperate.' It implies an inherent emotional context that corporations just don't have. I DO, however, use the term 'Motivated,' as any company is, in the end, motivated to sell their product. The closer sales come to meeting or exceeding sales targets, the more satisfied a company becomes, and the less motivated they are to 'push' further. By the same token, the further away they are from meeting their sales targets, the less satisfied a company becomes, and the more motivated they are to push, push, push. A comparison of Sony's and Microsoft's approaches show that Microsoft is significantly more motivated to boost their sales, (as, obviously, they need more boostin,) but again, it doesn't mean desperation.

However, I do think Microsoft might have found themselves in a bit of a pickle, when it comes to pushing their sales. Before, there were things that could be 'fixed,' basically, to boost the appeal of the product. Before the launch, it was things like introducing indie self-publishing to counter their previously kinda absurd loop-jumping system, and of course reversing the old policies that had account for a fairly sizable portion of the Internet's scorn on the product, and resulting less-than-ideal pre-orders. Upon release, after the initial holiday rush had cooled, and the sales began to slip behind Sony a bit, we saw things like pushing Titanfall as a major product, (to counter the usual 'first year game drought woes,) the removal of the Kinect from mandatory inclusion, (and, of course, the resulting cheaper price that addressed criticisms to that effect,) finally starting Games With Gold on Xbox One, and even relative nitpicks, like making the paywall less all-encompassing, so you didn't need Live Gold to watch Netflix anymore.

Basically, even though sales might not have been going quite as they wanted them to during 2014- whether it was hitting some overall number, or just keeping within a certain distance of the Playstation 4- there WERE things they could do to improve upon it, big, solid things.

But now they're kind of in a position where, as far as I know, they're still getting outsold, but there isn't really much LEFT to 'fix.' All that can really be done is toss more platform updates to increase the feature set of the core device- which Microsoft, full credit, has done very efficiently and quickly, though how much it sways a consumer is uncertain- and bolstering their first party and exclusive lineup, which not only takes a great deal of money, but also time. Short of buying out a nearly-completed game that'll release in the next six months, (which would land them right back in PR hell,) any extra 'gas' Microsoft sinks into game development, be it first-party titles or newly funding third-party exclusives, won't bear fruit for a couple of years. But a couple of years of getting outsold by Sony at the rate it's been doing so far could be devastating to its long-term ability to compete for marketshare, so simply battening down the hatches and riding out the storm isn't an option.

So the free game deals, etc, etc, I believe, are more a stopgap measure to gain, or at least hold, marketshare until more meaty solutions can be put into play. Anything other than 'Here, Take More Stuff For The Same Monies' will take time to organize and implement, and as mentioned, the more time passes with things as they currently are, the more difficult it becomes to claw one's way to sales parity. Not a coincidence that the free game week included Destiny as an option, and occurred on Destiny launch. =P



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Are they gonna bundle the console with Kinect? That would be awesome!



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Euphoria14 said:
DJEVOLVE said:
Euphoria14 said:
DJEVOLVE said:


The price has never dropped, They just took Kinect out. So you are just able to get the bundle without kinect and they have been bundling games for sometime. So your just over hyping your arguement. A lot of people are actually making the jump and I don't see why they wouldn't this Holiday. They never had a price break, So all this talk about one, means you haven't been paying attention or want to trash MS...


The entry price certainly did drop.

 

Before it was $499 to jump into XB1 gaming. Now it is $399 to jump in. Saying they only removed Kinect doesn't change that fact.

Not that it isn't a good thing. I honestly believe dumping the whole notion of forcing a Kinect purchase on XB1 buyers was a great move.


Not really, Kinect with Xbox One is still $500 is it not?

Yes they have a cheaper model, still not a price break because they are taking out a expensive piece of the hardware.

It is still a reduced price for point of entry. At first you could only get the $500 SKU, then due to sales they removed Kinect in order to reduce the entry price and entice more people to buy in.

Either way you look at it they reduced the pricing due to $500 being too high.


yes I will agree here but you're getting  less. So sorry for the late response, I know  you still love me, So it's ok.