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the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014
SlayerRondo said:
the2real4mafol said:
SlayerRondo said:
War is great for distracting the local populace from the failings and offenses of their own government by uniting them against an enemy real or imagined.

Also, its worth noting that America is just great at war and few nations that are so capable stop of their own accord without some sort of challenge to their military supremacy.

Hopefully both America and China will be rendered unable to engage in voluntary warfare by keeping each other in check. Worse case they go back to the proxy wars of the Cold war.

Surely that distraction can only work for so long. America has been in and out of war since the First gulf war now. The 80's weren't that peaceful but was peace in comparision to since then 

I am unsure myself as to how effective war as a distraction is and for how long using war as a distraction can work. I do believe their are a few clear examples throughout history where war has effectively united a local populace against a perceived external threat.

Still, if a government wants such a distraction they may try no matter the effectiveness or consequneces.

Sad that a government wouldn't rather admit its faults and correct them rather than start things to cover them up 



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the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014
Captain_Tom said:
the2real4mafol said:

#1. There are alot of people on this world so, many can hate America with others loving it. Also, prove? Or is that patriotic nonsense!?

#2 No of course not, I never justified them but i'm not sure if another war will solve anything. The west has to work with the ordinary Iraqis and Syrians to disband ISIS. Blindly bombing whatever the fuck you like would be counter productive. Any action made must be to improve the lives of people and their wellbeing so they won't be compelled to go to the likes of ISIS. 

Also how do you expect to beat ISIS when your country couldn't beat the Taliban? 

Also abit rich saying about ISIS massacring people. The US government has supported some nasty leaders/ regimes over the years who were almost as bad or just as bad as ISIS. Pol Pot, Pinochet, Suharto, Saddam Hussein, Batista, Armas,  South African Apartheid to name a few. The US government has overthrown anyone who it disagrees with. Some were justified but the people the US backed were nearly always worse 

#3 And the problem with that is that only makes the problems worse. The situation in alot of the countries was shit to begin with. Drone strikes only destroy whatever is left. That radicalises people as the system failed them. 

Also, as far as i know ISIS never attacked America but probably will soon if they get provoked. 

I say give these people (ordinary citizens of the Middle East not ISIS) jobs and allow them to have a better standard of living not war. 

Also, don't you find it weird that one year ago the US government wanted to topple Assad's Regime in Syria but now has to work with him to try to end ISIS somehow? 


1) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-americans-cool-survey-idUSTRE7852H320110906

 

2)

a) Will a war solve anything?  It already saved Kurdistan from a masscre.  I really wish some of those families who barily survived the ISIS onslaught were next to you right now so you could tell them that maybe they would have been ok without America's help.

b) Yeah the U.S.  has supported some shitty people.  Who hasn't?  What is your point?  "America did bad things before so whawwww!"  Let the past be the past.  

c)  What country are you from?  Just for comparison's sake.

3) LOL now you are losing me.  Give these people jobs?  Ok let me wave my magic job wand.  It isn't that simple bud.  Also we still don't like Assad, and you know we didn't like the Soviet Union during WWII.  But guess what?  The Nazi's and ISIS are worse.  DUH.

1. Not suprising when American culture is in most people's faces alot of the time

2a. I just think America has to be careful with its foreign policy. Intervention can be justified and stuff like saving the Yazidis and Kurds from the rath of ISIS was clearly justified. Doesn't mean bombing is the only solution. The Americans must work with these people rather than dictate policy from a far away office who have no real clue of the situation. 

2b. I can't ignore the past because the actions that were done in the past are why some areas are so messed up today. We can't forget the past no matter how hard we try. We must learn from it

2c. The UK. Whats your point? If it's about what my country we did in the past in it's empire we were just as bad. It's why i'm not a patriot, nothing really to be proud of. 

3. Politics is unfortunately full of it. Work with people you hate to destroy someone you hate even more and then backstab the people you worked with. Its disgraceful but politics is like this. 



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the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014
MegaDrive08 said:
The eagle on the great seal of the united states shows you everything you need to know, just because you see a guy on tv talking about peace doesn't mean that's what they really stand for, the eagle carries a branch with 13 leafs that represents peace "how they come across to me and you and average Joe who believes everything the teLIEvision news station tells them, the other claw clutches 13 arrows of war as you can see is what they really stand for, look how many wars and conflicts they have started, this is the beginning of the end of the united states as we know it, ISIS is just the latest terror group they want to use, back and fund to create a new boogie man that seems so terrifying, so scary, and they will come in and "save" the day and for it never to happen again will accept there new world order and sign away all your rights.
They purposely opened up the Mexican boarder to let in illegals, this is the start of the American Union they want, and in the process to create a welfare state, look at here in the UK, we live in a welfare state and totally controlled police state, can't believe this is happening.

The Uk is not a police state. At least our police aren't militarised 



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deskpro2k3 on 14 September 2014

Not just for oil, but how else would the banks make money. in order for the US to go to war, congress must ask the federal reserve for money, and so the fed loans the money to congress. The government then pays off their dept through the tax payers dollars. profit.

One can say the banks like war, and they love it when congress ask for money. They can just print it out of thin air.



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the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014
deskpro2k3 said:

Not just for oil, but how else would the banks make money. in order for the US to go to war, congress must ask the federal reserve for money, and so the fed loans the money to congress. The government then pays off their dept through the tax payers dollars. profit.

One can say the banks like war, and they love it when congress ask for money. They can just print it out of thin air.

Obama is doing this without asking for approval from congress from what i heard but i forgot to put it in the OP. Congress probably does support intervention but the president still needs to ask  



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MegaDrive08 on 14 September 2014

Not to mention the folks running the show are satanists, and worship the Antichrist, go look up the cult of Saturn, which is what all people who follow organised religion are really worshipping, Satan/Saturn.



 

the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014

Whats that got to do with American Interventions and wars throughout the world Mega Drive 08?



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MegaDrive08 on 14 September 2014

Cos these are the people that control the American government and are the ones who are pulling the strings, everything that is happening now is all by design, like I was saying they've closed the Mexican boarder, i guarantee ISIS will show up in America, all part of the plan to collapse America while letting I'n illegals to create a welfare state, and create an American Union.



 

the2real4mafol on 14 September 2014
MegaDrive08 said:
Cos these are the people that control the American government and are the ones who are pulling the strings, everything that is happening now is all by design, like I was saying they've closed the Mexican boarder, i guarantee ISIS will show up in America, all part of the plan to collapse America while letting I'n illegals to create a welfare state, and create an American Union.

All great powers collapse eventually and sorry to say but i think you are crazy unless you can prove it 



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Keegs79 on 14 September 2014

Its not a new war. It has been a war that has been raged for a long time now. My opinion on the matter has shifted significantly from what I used to be want. I don't want us to get involved. We don't get involved just for the love of war. We really care about stopping bad people. The problem is as you mention is that we don't have the money to do so or should. We are not financially stable and our biggest weakness is our debt. If we get in a full blown war that directly effects our national security, we need money to fight a war.

Now with the ISIS I don't think we need to get involved. This group threatens every muslim country in the Middle East and they have even said they will fight Russia. I think its ridiculous that we get involved. Obama is doing this not just because he "could" think its the right thing to do but because he has had looked weak against Putin and needs to show strength in one way or another to the international community.

I think we should stay out of it. We should use that money to secure our borders. That is our weakness.