Captain_Tom said:
the2real4mafol said:
Captain_Tom said:
the2real4mafol said:
#1. There are alot of people on this world so, many can hate America with others loving it. Also, prove? Or is that patriotic nonsense!?
#2 No of course not, I never justified them but i'm not sure if another war will solve anything. The west has to work with the ordinary Iraqis and Syrians to disband ISIS. Blindly bombing whatever the fuck you like would be counter productive. Any action made must be to improve the lives of people and their wellbeing so they won't be compelled to go to the likes of ISIS.
Also how do you expect to beat ISIS when your country couldn't beat the Taliban?
Also abit rich saying about ISIS massacring people. The US government has supported some nasty leaders/ regimes over the years who were almost as bad or just as bad as ISIS. Pol Pot, Pinochet, Suharto, Saddam Hussein, Batista, Armas, South African Apartheid to name a few. The US government has overthrown anyone who it disagrees with. Some were justified but the people the US backed were nearly always worse
#3 And the problem with that is that only makes the problems worse. The situation in alot of the countries was shit to begin with. Drone strikes only destroy whatever is left. That radicalises people as the system failed them.
Also, as far as i know ISIS never attacked America but probably will soon if they get provoked.
I say give these people (ordinary citizens of the Middle East not ISIS) jobs and allow them to have a better standard of living not war.
Also, don't you find it weird that one year ago the US government wanted to topple Assad's Regime in Syria but now has to work with him to try to end ISIS somehow?
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1) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-americans-cool-survey-idUSTRE7852H320110906
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a) Will a war solve anything? It already saved Kurdistan from a masscre. I really wish some of those families who barily survived the ISIS onslaught were next to you right now so you could tell them that maybe they would have been ok without America's help.
b) Yeah the U.S. has supported some shitty people. Who hasn't? What is your point? "America did bad things before so whawwww!" Let the past be the past.
c) What country are you from? Just for comparison's sake.
3) LOL now you are losing me. Give these people jobs? Ok let me wave my magic job wand. It isn't that simple bud. Also we still don't like Assad, and you know we didn't like the Soviet Union during WWII. But guess what? The Nazi's and ISIS are worse. DUH.
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1. Not suprising when American culture is in most people's faces alot of the time
2a. I just think America has to be careful with its foreign policy. Intervention can be justified and stuff like saving the Yazidis and Kurds from the rath of ISIS was clearly justified. Doesn't mean bombing is the only solution. The Americans must work with these people rather than dictate policy from a far away office who have no real clue of the situation.
2b. I can't ignore the past because the actions that were done in the past are why some areas are so messed up today. We can't forget the past no matter how hard we try. We must learn from it
2c. The UK. Whats your point? If it's about what my country we did in the past in it's empire we were just as bad. It's why i'm not a patriot, nothing really to be proud of.
3. Politics is unfortunately full of it. Work with people you hate to destroy someone you hate even more and then backstab the people you worked with. Its disgraceful but politics is like this.
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1. Oh so now people are "Wrong" for not hating America? get over yourself buddy.
2a. America DOES have to be carefull with its foreign policy. I hope it is abundently clear that this has been realized considering we aren't invading Iraq again.
2b. Again, how are we not learning from the past? The current coalition against ISIS shows that we understand that these wars to be won by local boots on the ground.
2c. Just got back from Carlisle, lovely country. However let's not throw stones in a house of glass ok? The U.K. is the U.S.'s greatest military ally who was one of the only countries in the EU to aid our invasion, and attributed the most non-US soldiers. I mean we are talking about Imperial England here. Don't be surprised if English bombers are flying over Syria by the end of the year.
3. Yes the world is not a perfect place. However sometimes there are only "Bad" choices to some decisions. Just out of curiosity what would you do about ISIS? Keep in mind that millions of innocent are at stake and there are many of your countries (Pretending you are the U.S.) facilities and property at risk.
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1. I don't get your problem but that poll is based on fuck all. Being cool has a very changeable meaning
2a. I get that but its very easy to get stuck into Iraq again. I mean Vietnam started with sending just a few hundred troops and a couple ships and then something kicks off and before you know a full blown war starts. Maybe not the same but it seems similar
2b. You said 'let the past be the past' implying lets forget everything we ever did. At least thats how i interpreted it.
2c. Depends on the parliament vote i guess if there is one. But you're probably right
Also i assume you mean ww2. The UK was the only country that could really help America. France was occupied. Russia was too far away and the rest were fascists (Germany and East Europe) or simply weren't involved (Spain and Portugal)
3. I'm normally against intervention but with the likes of ISIS i'd firstly send military equipment to the Kurdish Peshmerga and the Syrian Army, probably the Iraqi army too but they don't seem to really exist no more. I'd likely use bombing to try to contain ISIS forces but communication is key. Sending an American army in would be last resort and thats if the Kurds and Syrians are badly losing. Has to be diplomacy and aid first. Not sure if we could of stopped those supposed beheadings though
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