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hated_individual said:
So what... 3DS getting new model like DS got DSi after 3.5 years... Expect sales to explode.


2DS didn't cause sales to explode in North America, I don't honestly know if there's a ton of appeal for the New 3DS over here. I think it will do quite well in Japan though. But primarily at this point though as others have mentioned I have to wonder if Nintendo is basically just selling different models of the 3DS to people who already own a 3DS. 



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Soundwave said:
hated_individual said:
So what... 3DS getting new model like DS got DSi after 3.5 years... Expect sales to explode.


2DS didn't cause sales to explode in North America, I don't honestly know if there's a ton of appeal for the New 3DS over here. I think it will do quite well in Japan though. But primarily at this point though as others have mentioned I have to wonder if Nintendo is basically just selling different models of the 3DS to people who already own a 3DS. 


Well 2DS was never intended to make sales explode... New 3DS is intended to make sales explode...

Because its an upgrade and has bigger potential due to new features... eg more competitive.



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
since this is the lowest sales have been since the price cut, maybe its time for a price cut?

2DS-$99, 3DS-$129, 3DS XL-$149


Probably, but I think Nintendo is extremely reluctant to cut the price because they need the fatter profit margins with the 3DS to reach company profit targets most likely. It would boost sales, but it would lose them money in the process. 

ya they probably wont cut the price which is why were seeing so many limited editions and free game promotions. but like i said in my other comment, im not too concerned considering 3DS hasnt had any meaningful software in about 3 months.



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gba sold better than ds in ist first month? didnt know that



zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
since this is the lowest sales have been since the price cut, maybe its time for a price cut?

2DS-$99, 3DS-$129, 3DS XL-$149


Probably, but I think Nintendo is extremely reluctant to cut the price because they need the fatter profit margins with the 3DS to reach company profit targets most likely. It would boost sales, but it would lose them money in the process. 

ya they probably wont cut the price which is why were seeing so many limited editions and free game promotions. but like i said in my other comment, im not too concerned considering 3DS hasnt had any meaningful software in about 3 months.


It's had poor sales relatively for a while now though. Even going back to last year, the holiday season was dissapointing with Pokemon X/Y, Zelda: ALBW, and 2DS launch. 

This year is just even worse. The 3DS has more than enough software by now too to not need a new big game each month, the DS went periods of 3-4 months without a big release all the time (generally when Nintendo was focusing on the Wii) with no ill-effect. 



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Door is closing on the handheld market. Unless Nintendo comes up with some really secret sauce, they should just focus their efforts on the next home console gen.

Just imagine if hit titles like Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, and Fire Emblem were driving people to buy a home console they don't really want instead of a handheld console they don't really want.



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Soundwave said:

2DS didn't cause sales to explode in North America, I don't honestly know if there's a ton of appeal for the New 3DS over here. I think it will do quite well in Japan though. But primarily at this point though as others have mentioned I have to wonder if Nintendo is basically just selling different models of the 3DS to people who already own a 3DS. 


2DS wasn't introduce to NA/EU to cause sales explosions, it was just a low barrier-to-entry 3D-free system that was, for them, absolutely dirt cheap to produce. More than likely, even its 99$ price tag is sold at around 2x profit as many of its pieces are very cheap to produce and it has no clamshell or hinges. It was a robust little system for kids or people who didn't want anything to do with the 3D or the ergonomics of the DS-line.  All things considered, its actually sold pretty decently as its neither an advertized mainline model nor is it sold in the biggest market. (This is like the GBA micro.) I suspect the 3DS will see a holiday price drop, they are probably looking at massive profitability on current sale-per-unit and can afford the hit.

I can see the n3DS (renamed, obviously) spir on some level of renewed interest, especially if it ships with the Xenoblade game pre-installed or ready for launch NA/EU. That game was and still is decently sought after by RPG fans, and having it available without having to pay 100$+ for the game in and of itself, is probably a nice perk. (The n3DS is definitely more aligned with eastern interest given what we've seen thus far, but there's also the fact that we have no idea what else is in the pipe works for the system.)

The 3DS, after this holiday, I would say has already saturated its nominal market of ~40-50 million market, but then we have to wonder... how large was the genuine market for the DS? I know I went through three DSs due to build issues and quality but have only had one 3DS. (Anecdotal.) All the same, I still expect it to finish around GBA standards unless it falls off a cliff.



BraLoD said:
That PSV line is so so sad to see =/


I dont know if to laugh or cry... >_>  ;-<



Soundwave said:
DélioPT said:

Being that cheap would probably mean less powerful.
A real, good tablet is what Nintendo would need. Not too much, of course.

No, the tablet would not have console games, at least, not recent ones. Only port Wii games to the tablet.
That way, the old games would not compete with the handheld and home console business.
In a sense it would be like how Nintendo always kept the handheld and home console separate in terms of power. That way they wouldn`t compete with each other and software wouldn`t be costly to produce (with assests already used in the past).

Also, by making it powerful enough, the tablet can be used to serve as a controller or even stream games from the home console (like the gamepad does) and with that you could get a cheaper home console SKU (which would also work with the handheld as a controller).

That way Nintendo can keep 3 hardware devices and not make them compete with each other - by default, that is.

I don`t think your idea of just a portable with a TV attachment is what Nintendo has in mind. They already said they aren`t going with one piece of hardware for next generation.


It depends I guess Nintendo could get a GPU like the PowerVR 6430 (this is the same chip in the iPad mini retina) for dirt cheap. Throw the 3DS GPU in there (even cheaper) + a ARM Cortex A9 and you have probably a very cheap setup that can run all DS/3DS/VC games and all Android stuff too. 

It's not so much the chipset that makes things expensive, it's the LCD display, battery, and any type of custom component (like say a 3D screen) that will drive your costs up. If you stick to widely highly mass produced parts that are more than a tech cycle old you can get components for cheap. 

To be honest, I have to wonder if your basic idea might not be a better play than the "New 3DS followed by a Fusion platform circa 2016" roadmap. Nintendo is absorbing huge losses on the portable battlefield, waiting for 2016 to send in the cavalry probably only allows more damage to be done. 

A tablet that could play hundreds of DS, 3DS, NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, TG16 games on top of Android games and have enough grunt power to draw Wii games in 1280x720 resolution with fancier lighting effects ... I dunno. Maybe waiting for 2016 is too long. Nintendo could release a pretty kick ass handheld for cheap next year if they really wanted to. 


I`ll trust you for the tech stuff, because i really have no clue about that! :D
I guess a 3D screen wouldn`t be needed. Nintendo would be the first to say it wouldn`t be good for kids and then it would be 3DS all over again.
And of course, Nintendo could get other consoles for the tablet VC, if you will.

It`s not just a question of going this way or that way. Fusion strategy or tablet strategy.
I believe there`s a market for both things. Not to mention that in terms of games, Nintendo would take a step back in terms of what HW would allow them to do or how big could their games get. As far as i know, tablets don`t really have GBs and GBs of space to handle several games. Consoles can handle it because you can get the games in a store or have a external disk next to your console.

In terms of timing... i really don´t have a good idea on what the best time, but releasing every piece of hardware at the same time (specially the consoles) would be a way to push people to adopt more than one or at least, even in regards to marketing, would be best to show the exosystem right at the start.



DélioPT said:

As far as i know, tablets don`t really have GBs and GBs of space to handle several games. Consoles can handle it because you can get the games in a store or have a external disk next to your console.


Nintendo are compression masters. Their mainline games run in the single digits for GBs. Build the tablet with a MicroSD slot, and you're golden for space issues (most developers don't bother compressing their games well if at all... Naughty Dog... >.>). In fact, it'd be a good marketting tool too because so many manufacturers cut out the MicroSD slot to force use of tools like Cloud or simply to incentivize people buying the next "bigger thing" once they start running out of room.

It's a dirt cheap little piece of technology too...