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eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
DerNebel said:
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:

That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on you. If you say that the X1 is overtracked on a global scale then give us indicators of that, just like we did with the Wii U. If you or amak can't do that, then you're pulling things out of your ass simple as that.


Because you showed a lot of info when debating the wii u was overtracked... Right? We have almost zero evidence of how things are going outside of japan and the US, so I have no info on that, the same way as you have no info to suport your claim. So like I said, an assuption is worth nothing, wich is way I dont give one as fact like you like to do.

Honestly, I have. It's not my fault that you don't want to accept that which seems obvious to the majority of the forum by now (including people that've been doing this way longer than you or me)

I accept that it seems ovbious and admit it could be overtracked. But my argument is, is there any solid evidence, or anything that hints at a number of how much is overtracked? If they let you decide the numbers of how much it is, and from what region to adjust it, what would you do? Is there some insite that you have that ioi does not? What informtion do you have that isolates the wii u and excludes the x1 in EU?

But dont worry you dont have to answer, since I know your respose to any question... Shipping... If that is all you have then dont bother responding, but I know you cant help yourself, so I wont be liseting anymore. When you get a solid argument and solid proof other than your opinion and speculation I will admit my stuburness. 



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NobleTeam360 on 12 September 2014

Yep, Wii U has been overtracked a while now and NPD just proved that even more. We await the adjustment down of the Wii U soon ioi



Seece on 12 September 2014

How can people realistically rally for 20k in Europe/US/Outside of Japan.

It's practically a statistical impossibility unles the system is in its twilight years on its very last shipment! There doesn't need to be any more proof than that, it's proof enough.



 

Scharfek on 12 September 2014

Seece, could you answer the following questions for me:

1) How many Wii U consoles do you think Nintendo will sell lifetime?

2) What do you think Nintendo should do to improve Wii U sales? I'm not talking about saving the console, getting massive third party support or anything silly like that, but keeping relevance until the end of the generation is still a possibility.



DerNebel on 13 September 2014
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:

Just out of curiousity, who would keep ordering those systems if they are only sitting on shelves?

Just out of curiosity, what did you respond when I asked you that about the wii u a few weeks back?

The thing is MS is over saturating the market with new bundles. Stores take them because its a difeerent bundle and others might buy it aside from the one the already have, so when they dont sell they stack up and then a new one comes and it is still diferent even if the game is the only thing that changes, so when they dont sell they stack them up again, right now we have titanfall, madden, kinect, no kinect, forza bundles. Thas five diferent bundles available, wich MS will add another next month I think with sunset overdrive. Stores have to have at least a couple of them at a time and with the hundreds of thousands of stores around the world with stock just sitting on shelves, thats why MS does not anounce numbers, and retailers keep orthering diferent bundles even if they have unsold stock.

Could you give any reason why before june, retailers would orther a lot of wii u's and just have them sitting on shelves, without any bundles, wich nintendo was any ofering much, just the supermario and luigy and zelda for a limited amont of time. There was not even a plain bundle and the 8gb model was discontiniud.

I don't know what you're talking about. What question from a couple weeks back?

And regarding the X1, did you see what comment I responded to? He said that there was no connection between shipping and sales. And regarding the bundles, no retailers do not have to take these, they have no obligation to take them at all and as Nintendo has proven last year, even things like negative shipments are possible. Right now saying that the X1 is over or undertracked worldwide is pure speculation.

And finally, it's not a lot to hold more stock than vgchartz is showing, it's just normal, what vgchartz is showing right now is virtually impossible.



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DerNebel on 13 September 2014
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:

Honestly, I have. It's not my fault that you don't want to accept that which seems obvious to the majority of the forum by now (including people that've been doing this way longer than you or me)

I accept that it seems ovbious and admit it could be overtracked. But my argument is, is there any solid evidence, or anything that hints at a number of how much is overtracked? If they let you decide the numbers of how much it is, and from what region to adjust it, what would you do? Is there some insite that you have that ioi does not? What informtion do you have that isolates the wii u and excludes the x1 in EU?

But dont worry you dont have to answer, since I know your respose to any question... Shipping... If that is all you have then dont bother responding, but I know you cant help yourself, so I wont be liseting anymore. When you get a solid argument and solid proof other than your opinion and speculation I will admit my stuburness. 

I never gave a solid number for how much the Wii U is overtracked, never. I literally once said that I think it's 200k but that we don't know exactly how overtracked the system is and that that can very much be argued, so stop pinning shit on me that I never said, ffs.

And using the EU and rest of the world for the area that the Wii U has to be overtracked is done by the method of elimination, we get weekly japanese data and we get monthly US data and we adjust accordingly, so what's left? Right, EU and rest of the world. With the X1 we can't do that because we have nothing to go on that it's even over-/undertracked at all and yes that can be found out via shipments and there is nothing more solid than that.

But hey close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and go "I can't hear you" for all I care, I don't have to waste my time proving something that everyone else understands to someone that just doesn't want to understand it anyway.



Seece on 13 September 2014
Scharfek said:
Seece, could you answer the following questions for me:

1) How many Wii U consoles do you think Nintendo will sell lifetime?

2) What do you think Nintendo should do to improve Wii U sales? I'm not talking about saving the console, getting massive third party support or anything silly like that, but keeping relevance until the end of the generation is still a possibility.


2014: 10m/11m LTD
2015: 14/15m LTD
2016: 16/17m LTD
2017: 19m LTD and discontinuation.

Nintendo should pump out whatever first party software theyw ant, to keep their Nintendo fanbase happy, and just try and profit on anything and everything they can.



 

hated_individual on 13 September 2014
Seece said:
Scharfek said:
Seece, could you answer the following questions for me:

1) How many Wii U consoles do you think Nintendo will sell lifetime?

2) What do you think Nintendo should do to improve Wii U sales? I'm not talking about saving the console, getting massive third party support or anything silly like that, but keeping relevance until the end of the generation is still a possibility.


2014: 10m/11m LTD
2015: 14/15m LTD
2016: 16/17m LTD
2017: 19m LTD and discontinuation.

Nintendo should pump out whatever first party software theyw ant, to keep their Nintendo fanbase happy, and just try and profit on anything and everything they can.

Way too low... Ignoring all the Wii U games in 2015...

2015: 17-19m

2016: 22-25m

2017: 25-28m

2018: 27-31m new console

2019: 28-32m discontinuation



Seece on 13 September 2014
hated_individual said:
Seece said:
Scharfek said:
Seece, could you answer the following questions for me:

1) How many Wii U consoles do you think Nintendo will sell lifetime?

2) What do you think Nintendo should do to improve Wii U sales? I'm not talking about saving the console, getting massive third party support or anything silly like that, but keeping relevance until the end of the generation is still a possibility.


2014: 10m/11m LTD
2015: 14/15m LTD
2016: 16/17m LTD
2017: 19m LTD and discontinuation.

Nintendo should pump out whatever first party software theyw ant, to keep their Nintendo fanbase happy, and just try and profit on anything and everything they can.

Way too low... Ignoring all the Wii U games in 2015...

2015: 17-19m

2016: 22-25m

2017: 25-28m

2018: 27-31m new console

2019: 28-32m discontinuation

What WiiU games? Zelda U? It's never been on par with Mario Kart and Smash in terms of pushing hardware and selling as much. Other than that, nothing they have is a hardware pusher.

WiiU will not have those legs, it barely manages 3m a year in its infancy/peak, let alone 3 years down the line.

And until it actually starts selling more than Gamecube, the bearer of proof is on you to logically give reasons as to why it'll sell the way you've suggest it will.



 

Scharfek on 13 September 2014
Seece said:

What WiiU games? Zelda U? It's never been on par with Mario Kart and Smash in terms of pushing hardware and selling as much. Other than that, nothing they have is a hardware pusher.

WiiU will not have those legs, it barely manages 3m a year in its infancy/peak, let alone 3 years down the line.

And until it actually starts selling more than Gamecube, the bearer of proof is on you to logically give reasons as to why it'll sell the way you've suggest it will.


The Wii U doesn't have many games that use the GamePad features very well. Nintendo Land would be the best example, but that is a mini game collection, very close to a tech demo... NSMBU, DKCTF, MK8 and Smash make very poor use of the touch screen, and Pikmin 3 is better played with the Wii Remote. Because of that, the controller has received a lot of criticism.

In 2015, Nintendo will launch Mario Maker, Splatoon and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, and these three games were basically made with the Game Pad in mind. I think a line up with Mario Maker, Splatoon, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Yoshi's Woolly World, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Devil's Third, Mario Party 10, Zelda U, Star Fox U and possibly Fatal Frame V and Pokkén Fighters, combined with a price cut to $250 (maybe $200), is strong enough to make the Wii U peak in 2015.

I agree that the Wii U will probably not outsell the Game Cube though. In 2016 and 2017, I don't think the Wii U will receive many games, as Nintendo will have to focus on games for the next handheld, and sales will fall a lot.

I think:

2014: 9.5m LTD

2015: 14.5m LTD

2016: 16.5m LTD

2017: 17.5m LTD

2018: 18m LTD and discontinuation