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last92 said:
prinz_valium said:
they can if u give them side by side comparison or screenshots,

the cant, if they have to do it without and in real time movement.


if they know one has lower and one has a better Resolution, they can tell u witch one Looks better
but if u show them random footage without any hints, they cant tell u for sure "this is 720p, this is 900p, this is 1080p, this is 1080i" etc...



but this discussion is obsolet. because we know the Resolution of the game, even before we Play it.


False. When I bought MK8 I thought it was 1080p because everybody was saying so...and I noticed in a few seconds that it was actually 720p, probably because I was used to PS4 already. Same thing goes for Wind Waker HD. Everybody was saying how great the game looked, 1080p and 60fps...but it was obvious from the beginning (at least to me) that the game actually ran at 30fps. But it probably depends on personal sensitivity.

 

The difference between 720p and 1080p is huge. 900p upscaled to 1080p and native 1080p though...not sure. It'd probably be much tougher di discern the difference in that case.

huh? this runs at 60fps

or do u talk about multiplayer splitscreen?



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Chris Hu said:
the-pi-guy said:
Chris Hu said:

Size of the screen makes a bigger difference then viewing distance though.  The bigger the screen the easier it to tell the difference when it comes to resolution.

No, they are both pretty much equally important.  

Stand 2000 feet away and it won't matter if its a 15" TV or a 75" TV.  


With computer monitors size probably doesn't make a huge difference since you usually sit very close to them but with TV's size makes a huge difference.  Plus with sets smaller then 32 inches you pretty much need to have perfect vision to see a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p regardless of viewing distance.


That's bull. I play on a 32" screen, am near sighted (although not by much), and I see the difference right away. 720p is quite blurry in comparison to 1080p. No need to have perfect vision to see it. Even at quite a distance from the set, I can see the difference. Just say that you can't tell the difference (for whatever reason). But don't generalize by saying stuff like you did here. Most people can tell the difference. Do most care? That is the question.



Aura7541 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Not native. And a very small amount of people said it looks blurry, but still believed it was native 1080p as Sony had told them. So like I said, "seems most cannot".

You answered a question that asks if gamers can tell the difference 720p to 1080p by pointing out how most people can't see the difference between native 1080p and temporal 1080p... That answer would work... if Jega asked if gamers can tell the difference between native and temporal 1080p, in which he didn't.

OT: Difference between 720p and 1080p is night and day. It's very easy to tell the difference.

Pretty much. The fact that some can even tell the difference between something as similar as temporal and actual 1080p (despite the identical final pixel count) speaks volumes to how many will notice an actual 125% pixel increase from 720p to 1080p.



Chris Hu said:
the-pi-guy said:
 

No, they are both pretty much equally important.  

Stand 2000 feet away and it won't matter if its a 15" TV or a 75" TV.  


With computer monitors size probably doesn't make a huge difference since you usually sit very close to them but with TV's size makes a huge difference.  Plus with sets smaller then 32 inches you pretty much need to have perfect vision to see a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p regardless of viewing distance.

It's a simple linear scale. Double the tv size, or sit at half the distance, same difference.
SMPTE standard for 1080p recommends upto a 30 degree fov, with a 32" tv that means sitting at a mere 1.3m. Not that you can't see the difference from a bit further away. And eh, they're not blasting electrons in your eyes anymore, you can sit that close.

If you want to know how OR rift looks resolution wise, put your face 0.436 * diag away from the screen. You need to be near sighted or have a large screen to see how a 90 degree fov looks, 35cm from a 32" screen, or 57cm from a 52" screen.
(It's not the same though. Since the screen is flat sitting so close will give you a lower perceived resolution in the center than at the edges. OR uses optics to make the screen appear further away and invert the effect, pinching more pixels to the center of your vision)




Chris Hu said:
the-pi-guy said:
Chris Hu said:

Size of the screen makes a bigger difference then viewing distance though.  The bigger the screen the easier it to tell the difference when it comes to resolution.

No, they are both pretty much equally important.  

Stand 2000 feet away and it won't matter if its a 15" TV or a 75" TV.  


With computer monitors size probably doesn't make a huge difference since you usually sit very close to them but with TV's size makes a huge difference.  Plus with sets smaller then 32 inches you pretty much need to have perfect vision to see a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p regardless of viewing distance.

Or glasses...

And no, I have a 22" screen and I can even tell the difference between 720p and 1680*1050 very easily. I'll tell you why: It's because I sit a meter away from it.

This is simple math, really. Viewing distance matters just as much as the size, since it's all about how much space it takes up on your retina.



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prinz_valium said:
last92 said:
prinz_valium said:
they can if u give them side by side comparison or screenshots,

the cant, if they have to do it without and in real time movement.


if they know one has lower and one has a better Resolution, they can tell u witch one Looks better
but if u show them random footage without any hints, they cant tell u for sure "this is 720p, this is 900p, this is 1080p, this is 1080i" etc...



but this discussion is obsolet. because we know the Resolution of the game, even before we Play it.


False. When I bought MK8 I thought it was 1080p because everybody was saying so...and I noticed in a few seconds that it was actually 720p, probably because I was used to PS4 already. Same thing goes for Wind Waker HD. Everybody was saying how great the game looked, 1080p and 60fps...but it was obvious from the beginning (at least to me) that the game actually ran at 30fps. But it probably depends on personal sensitivity.

 

The difference between 720p and 1080p is huge. 900p upscaled to 1080p and native 1080p though...not sure. It'd probably be much tougher di discern the difference in that case.

huh? this runs at 60fps

or do u talk about multiplayer splitscreen?

I was talking about Wind Waker HD there. MK8 is 720p/60fps, WWHD is 1080p/30fps. I noticed immediately the lower resolution in MK8 and lower frame rate in WWHD, that's my point. If I can see the difference, everybody can, I think.



When I got a new TV I could tell the difference easy.



My eyes are fine so yes; I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Does it matter to me? Yes. That's why I started playing multi platform games on PC back in 2008.

Can I tell the difference between 720p on PS3 games and 1080p on the PS4? Do I even need to dignify that with an answer?

If anyone answers no, I can only assume their viewing distance to size of display ratio is outside of the range of what healthy human eyes can distinguish. Pull back far enough from any size display, and an upscaled SD 480p image will look just like a native 4k image on the same display once far enough out of the range of normal viewing distance.

At about 5" (60") distance, I can distinguish pixels on a 50" HDTV, so it becomes very apparent whether I'm looking at a 480, 720 or 1080 native resolution image. On a 1920x1080 computer display at normal typing distances (about 15"), anything other than a native 1920x1080 image or signal is quite obvious.

So either fix that corrective lens prescription, or move closer to the display if you genuinely can't see the difference.



If you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, you're trying to prove that the ps4 isn't a better system (even though it flat out is). If you gave me a game in 1080p, I would notice if you lowered the resolution while I was out of the room. The draw distance would be worse, it would have worse AA, textures wouldn't look as good. As a pc gamer, I know this to be true. Every once in a while, my games will randomly switch resolution. My first thought when this happens is "why does my game look like shit?" If you can't tell the difference it's because you're trying to not be able to ell the difference. 720p and 1080p is a night and day difference.



I can't really and i switch between PS3 and PS4 all the time. PC is way ahead in resolution still



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