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Forums - Politics Discussion - Lazy Americans.....‘We’re a Movement Now': Fast Food Workers Strike in 150 Cities (edit) OP is poor, don't act like I am being all high and mighty!

I feel bad for them. As an engineer of electrical, my working time is only 2 hours then go home everyday but when the maintenance came, i have to work with my partners for 6 hours maxed then dismiss this is actually rarely time because everything stable & fine. Also my salary/pension is pretty good though, i'm happy. You wonder how many consoles i got currently below me. Hey, i'm not rich nor poor guy, i'm just an average. *thumbs up. :)



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Hoodieninja said:
the2real4mafol said:
1. You can work hard but if you don't get anyway then what is the point? Working in a fast food place looks like one of the most repetitive, mundane jobs out there. But i don't know how you can call them lazy. Work is work isn't it? But the problem is the economy in more advanced countries really lacks a lot of industry now. You either get high pay, low pay or none at all. There is really nothing between anymore. How can expect someone to work hard when there are no opportunities to take advantage of it.

2. Unfortunately it's got to a point where people survive off working in McDonalds. That really shows how crappy the economy is if you ask me.

3. Also, if you're poor you're instantly discriminated against in a capitalist society. Intelligence is based on merit not wealth but when tertiary education costs such an extortionate amount, that really wastes people's potential.

If we humans are to survive we need a more compassionate society rather than being against each other in everything.

1. you're right about that again I don't think people realize that the MIDDLE CLASS IS SHRINKING. While the Rich still become Richer

2. agreed

3. Tends to happen when debating about the Minimum Wage Poor people, they're INSTANTLY discriminated. It's fucking sad, they lump people in Poverty as DRUG USERS, and Lazy people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/04/economists-agree-raising-the-minimum-wage-reduces-poverty/

1. Inequality is so great now, i'm not sure a middle class really exists anymore. The part of the economy that made growth and a middle class really possible (industry) is mostly gone now. those that consider themselves middle class certainly are struggling alot more now than say 30 years ago. 

3. It feels like that is done to divide people but most of the stereotypes about the poor are nonsense. Sad to see that Spurge didn't know better when he did a similar job at some point. He was lucky to be able to move on. But seriously if the hardest workers got paid the most the Chinese and Indian (also other countries in that region) factory workers who slave for up to 16 hours a day making things would be the richest people in the world. That is not the case



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QUAKECore89 said:
I feel bad for them. As an engineer of electrical, my working time is only 2 hours then go home everyday but when the maintenance came, i have to work with my partners for 6 hours maxed then dismiss this is actually rarely time because everything stable & fine. Also my salary/pension is pretty good though, i'm happy. You wonder how many consoles i got currently below me. Hey, i'm not rich nor poor guy, i'm just an average. *thumbs up. :)

You don't want to strive to become a something more productive like a Doctor or becoming the manager of the Company you work at? Maybe your wage should be lower to Increase Productivity.



Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:

I don't see how family planning is related to teaching abstinence.

They have everything to do with each other: "Don't have sex until you're ready to make a baby," "have sex, take responsibility" which means get married and raise that kid, no matter what life-phase you're in, which is why they say "don't have sex."

Family planning is anathema to that, because it lets people run around and fornicate all they want without having to deal with any of that.

Ok, I see where you're getting. I'll just leave the thread now.



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Hoodieninja said:
BMaker11 said:
Hoodieninja said:
I'm really sick of hearing this if flipping burgers gets you $15 an hour there will be less productivity. In China garbagemen and Factory workers literally have slave wages and they still work. Their stuck in a rut hoping their kids do better than they did.

Minimum Wage meant more back than, it didn't stop productivity. Having laws enacted where SLAVERY was abolished didn't stop productivity. Having laws enacted to stop companies from Abusing laborers didn't stop productivity. It's like people are defending the super rich when they have indeed taken over the white house, Constantly lobbying and bribing politicians. U.S. is turning more into an Oligarchy and people seem to be okay with that.

Do you not understand the premise of "what's the point in going to school, developing skills, etc if I can just flip burgers and make the same money"? That's what people mean by "less productivity". It's one thing to have minimum wage and people still work because they need money. It's another thing to have minimum wage so high that there's no incentive to do other jobs. No incentive to become educated. No incentive to develop an array of skills. No incentive "think outside of the box", because you can just be a good for nothing and still be "good enough" to make great money. That's what "less productivity" means.

It's one reason everyone hates communism (I am not saying that raising the minimum wage is communist). Because "what's the point of getting this highly skilled job, that takes years of work to obtain....when I can get this low skilled job that pays the same?"

SAME MONEY? who said SAME MONEY?

Even if fast food restaurants earned 15 dollars a month THEY'LL STILL EARN much less than somebody working as a Physician.

No incentive to do other jobs? Says who? Again AS I SAID in the 1950's did it stop people from being Productive just because they were able to earn enough money to become independent and feed a family of 3? NO! they still strived to be better.

You're going on the assumption that HIGHER minimum = less productivity which isn't true, many people strive for much more. Did this stop people from being less productive in the 1950's and 60's? no, people still STRIVED for more. Except the standards for the MINIMUM wage earners was higher instead it's becoming lower.

In fact having a higher MINIMUM can also INCREASE productivity studies have shown this.

Stop with the 50's or 60's nonese. It was very diferent back then. The people who had MW jobs back then where not kids like today. There where very few women or imigrants, cuz things where still sexist and racist. The women or black person or forener who got a job like that got payed like half as much. Not to mentioned that those jobs where not as comon as today. Before most jobs required some kind of skilled and payed more, while now that the middle class is disapering its more MW jobs by thousands more, and there are more unqualified people in the job market. Back then one family menber got that one job to suport a family, now its not consider for a family provider that job, and both parents can suport a family with MW, althou a small family, but these people canot be having so many children if they cant aford it.



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Hoodieninja said:
QUAKECore89 said:
I feel bad for them. As an engineer of electrical, my working time is only 2 hours then go home everyday but when the maintenance came, i have to work with my partners for 6 hours maxed then dismiss this is actually rarely time because everything stable & fine. Also my salary/pension is pretty good though, i'm happy. You wonder how many consoles i got currently below me. Hey, i'm not rich nor poor guy, i'm just an average. *thumbs up. :)

You don't want to strive to become a something more productive like a Doctor or becoming the manager of the Company you work at? Maybe your wage should be lower to Increase Productivity.


Doctor & manager of the company. No way, those are require high responsiblity, they're tough, so no... i don't want to. I'm fine with my salary/pension over three thousands of dollars plus bonus houndreds of dollars.

By the way, becoming as a doctor or manager gets lower pension than engineer of electrical. It depends on government of country(I'm not USA).



impertinence said:
Euphoria14 said:

You don't just hire for the sake of hiring though. People aren't entitled to a job if the position isn't there to be filled.

We need to find ways to create new business. Find ways to bring manufacturing jobs back.

 

How? I have no clue. I am the wrong person to give an answer on that.

Here's one thought:

Businesses will hire if demand for their service goes up. How does demand go up? More customers with the purchasing power to consider their products and services. How do we get more customers with higher purchasing power? Increase their pay.

What people don't seem to realize is that if fast food workers were to get paid say $15 an hour, those $8 extra an hour doesn't disapear, it will be put right back into the economy (and in most cases almost instantly) and drive profits in other sectors and eventually those extra $8 will end up where it always does: paying for someone's new yacht. The difference is only how many people those dollars touch on the way to that yacht.

That is the difference between the successful "raising the floor" economies in Europe and the "race to the bottom" mentality in the USA.

This is true. But seeing as todays rich people tend to be heartles bastards, they know this will happen, so tehy still increase the prices on everithing so they still get even more money and opresse the poor even more to the point that the situation is almost the same as how it is now. If the goverment also raises the MW, they have to do something about shop owners and service providers to not increase the cost of living ass well, or else all it will do is inflate the dollar and people will be right back where they started.

I know it goes against the land of the free, but to much freedom has caused theese less then 10% of the population to control more than 95% of the wealth. Most of theese big companies even outsorce the industry work out the contry to exploit the third world countrys, and causing the the middle class to disapear. Thats something that the goverment has to put an end to.



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Hoodieninja said:
QUAKECore89 said:
I feel bad for them. As an engineer of electrical, my working time is only 2 hours then go home everyday but when the maintenance came, i have to work with my partners for 6 hours maxed then dismiss this is actually rarely time because everything stable & fine. Also my salary/pension is pretty good though, i'm happy. You wonder how many consoles i got currently below me. Hey, i'm not rich nor poor guy, i'm just an average. *thumbs up. :)

You don't want to strive to become a something more productive like a Doctor or becoming the manager of the Company you work at? Maybe your wage should be lower to Increase Productivity.


And engineer of electrical, water & oil are the highest duty in my country. Simple... without electrcity, people will die.



Mr Khan said:
Your compassion for your fellow man never ceases to amaze me, Spurge.


And don't forget he's a christian. Oh the irony.



stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Mr Khan said:
Your compassion for your fellow man never ceases to amaze me, Spurge.


And don't forget he's a christian. Oh the irony.

Im somewhat of a cristians, and we are not suposted to do stupid things even if they sound good or we pitty people. Raising MW will do more harm than good.



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