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freedquaker said:
tiffac said:
freedquaker said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scisca said:

but at least one group tries to get to a positive destination and get civilized. The same can be said about neither Jihad, nor Russians.

Basically this.

I believe Israel ultimately wants peace, but their enemies are worse than the Nazis.


If you are killing 600 babies and under age children,

if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child

if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian

if you are killing 20 times as many people

if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result

if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach

YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE.

If that's the case why isn't Israel attacking the West Bank as well? Surely, they want to eliminate all Palestinians like Hamas wants to eliminate all Israelis'

You probably don't read the history very well I believe because they did much worse to the West Bank in the past, MUCH WORSE.

But I gotta give it credit to Israel, they are much more civilized than the Esad in Syria or ISIS in Iraq. I don't want to sound anti-Israel or pro-Arab either because the people in middle East are their worst enemies. Crimes in Syria or ISIS's crimes in Iraq are actually much worse. I also hate the hypocracy among the middle eastern folks who raise up their voices to the max when Israel does something (and they are RIGHT about it, Israel commits heinous crimes), but they do not take the same stance against Arabs who commit much worse crimes against their own people.

So this is not a war about Jews versus Arabs. I have tremendous friends from both races. Some of the Jews that I know are among the most honorable people I have ever met. It's about RACISM (of one against another) and DESPOTIC REGIMES regardless of race. In the past, (Some) Arabs did it, recently (Nazi) Germans did it, today (Zionist) Jews do it. There will always be incredible people who speak out in all races (Like Choamsky, Finkelstein etc...)


Oh I love history but my question remains unanswered if Genocide is what Israel wants then why haven't they attacked the West Bank now? Its a simple question.



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Mr Puggsly said:
freedquaker said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Basically this.

I believe Israel ultimately wants peace, but their enemies are worse than the Nazis.


If you are killing 600 babies and under age children,

if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child

if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian

if you are killing 20 times as many people

if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result

if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach

YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE.

When there is war its innocent people that suffer the most. The highest death counts are generally civilians.

Israel wants a cease fire, but Hamas wants all jews dead. Therefore I put the blame of dead civilians on Hamas.


There are always civillian deaths? Is this an excuse? You are reading minds but the results are clear. The civillian deaths on the Palestinian side is about 100 times more. The children deaths are infinitely more. This is not a war, this is not even a massacre, this is pure genocide. The facts will not change however you try to spin it.



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tiffac said:
freedquaker said:
tiffac said:
freedquaker said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scisca said:

but at least one group tries to get to a positive destination and get civilized. The same can be said about neither Jihad, nor Russians.

Basically this.

I believe Israel ultimately wants peace, but their enemies are worse than the Nazis.


If you are killing 600 babies and under age children,

if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child

if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian

if you are killing 20 times as many people

if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result

if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach

YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE.

If that's the case why isn't Israel attacking the West Bank as well? Surely, they want to eliminate all Palestinians like Hamas wants to eliminate all Israelis'

You probably don't read the history very well I believe because they did much worse to the West Bank in the past, MUCH WORSE.

But I gotta give it credit to Israel, they are much more civilized than the Esad in Syria or ISIS in Iraq. I don't want to sound anti-Israel or pro-Arab either because the people in middle East are their worst enemies. Crimes in Syria or ISIS's crimes in Iraq are actually much worse. I also hate the hypocracy among the middle eastern folks who raise up their voices to the max when Israel does something (and they are RIGHT about it, Israel commits heinous crimes), but they do not take the same stance against Arabs who commit much worse crimes against their own people.

So this is not a war about Jews versus Arabs. I have tremendous friends from both races. Some of the Jews that I know are among the most honorable people I have ever met. It's about RACISM (of one against another) and DESPOTIC REGIMES regardless of race. In the past, (Some) Arabs did it, recently (Nazi) Germans did it, today (Zionist) Jews do it. There will always be incredible people who speak out in all races (Like Choamsky, Finkelstein etc...)


Oh I love history but my question remains unanswered if Genocide is what Israel wants then why haven't they attacked the West Bank now? Its a simple question.


THEY DID ATTACK the West Bank MANY MANY MANY times. How old are you? Too young to know all that? Just google "Israeli attacks on West Bank", for God's sake.... If you are making a claim, you should at least quickly check it online... enough politics already. I don't have time to quarrel with people who are not open to the truth out there.



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

Sales Estimations for 8th Generation Consoles

Next Gen Consoles Impressions and Estimates

freedquaker said:
tiffac said:
freedquaker said:
tiffac said:
freedquaker said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scisca said:

but at least one group tries to get to a positive destination and get civilized. The same can be said about neither Jihad, nor Russians.

Basically this.

I believe Israel ultimately wants peace, but their enemies are worse than the Nazis.


If you are killing 600 babies and under age children,

if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child

if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian

if you are killing 20 times as many people

if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result

if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach

YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE.

If that's the case why isn't Israel attacking the West Bank as well? Surely, they want to eliminate all Palestinians like Hamas wants to eliminate all Israelis'

You probably don't read the history very well I believe because they did much worse to the West Bank in the past, MUCH WORSE.

But I gotta give it credit to Israel, they are much more civilized than the Esad in Syria or ISIS in Iraq. I don't want to sound anti-Israel or pro-Arab either because the people in middle East are their worst enemies. Crimes in Syria or ISIS's crimes in Iraq are actually much worse. I also hate the hypocracy among the middle eastern folks who raise up their voices to the max when Israel does something (and they are RIGHT about it, Israel commits heinous crimes), but they do not take the same stance against Arabs who commit much worse crimes against their own people.

So this is not a war about Jews versus Arabs. I have tremendous friends from both races. Some of the Jews that I know are among the most honorable people I have ever met. It's about RACISM (of one against another) and DESPOTIC REGIMES regardless of race. In the past, (Some) Arabs did it, recently (Nazi) Germans did it, today (Zionist) Jews do it. There will always be incredible people who speak out in all races (Like Choamsky, Finkelstein etc...)


Oh I love history but my question remains unanswered if Genocide is what Israel wants then why haven't they attacked the West Bank now? Its a simple question.


THEY DID ATTACK the West Bank MANY MANY MANY times. How old are you? Too young to know all that? Just google "Israeli attacks on West Bank", for God's sake.... If you are making a claim, you should at least quickly check it online... enough politics already. I don't have time to quarrel with people who are to the truth out there.

Oh I know my question is why not now? I mean they are Genocidal people that wants to eradicate Palestine. So why Gaza only? Why is Palestine still standing or is Israel just one massive failure as a Genocidal states? I mean you guys knows the answer so I asked. Again its a simple question.



They were at WAR and happened to seize land during their victory.



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Not taking sides, just some factual corrections to otherwise good post:

Zarkho said:

2. Because of this Euromaidan Coup d'etat (which was initially sold as a "struggle for freedom and against corruption", but the truth is that it was a bunch of nationalist, nazis and ultra-orthodox demonstrating against the pro-Russian government), the people of Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk, regions populated by people of russian etnicity, declared independence from Ukraine. Crimea also organized one referendum in which the option of joining Russia won. IT WAS NOT AN ANNEXATION, it was a voluntary union that went through referendum.

I never tired to repeat that civil conflict is politicl in nature, not ethnical. Otherwise, it'd be hard to explain why Zakharchenko (last name ends with -ko, often assosiated with Ukrainian), who participated in antimaidan movement in Kharkov, eventually created pro-Russian "Oplot" battalion, and currently holds the position of DPR's minister of defence, is Russian. While Semen Semenchenko (real name Konstantin Grishin), the resident of Sevastopol, Crimea, the creator of pro-Ukrainian "Donbass" battalion, is Ukrainian.

Long story short, there're two parties of Ukrainians -- those who think that Ukraine in present shape and form stll has future and those who think it's doneskies and they need to do smth about it. Other political positions on gazillion of questions could be conclued from this one.

 

And here's visual representation of percentage of students who take their classes in Ukrainian rather than in Russian for last 20 years. Kinda give perspective on the popular Ukie's slogan "kill the Russian in ya":



 

Zarkho said:

2. The UN in 1948 was composed of less than 1/3 of the world nations. Russia, who was against the creation of the state of Israel, was not present in the voting that approved the establishment of the Jewish state (which they would have vetoed). Therefore, pretending that the 1948 backing of the state of Israel gives them any legitimacy is absurd.

Are you referrring to 181 UN resolution? If so, USSR was there as well as UkrSSR and BelSSR, which have been represented separately at the time, all voted for it. The resolution was about partition of the Palestine, but de facto lead to creation of the state of Israel. In general, Soviet Union was among prime UN members that created Israel along with military help btw, a substantial part of Israeli military officers at the time were Soviet officers of Jewish ethnicity with WW2 experience, add to that arms supply through Czechoslovakia and economic help.

Of course, eventually Soviet Union has changed its stance on Israel, in fact there were tensions following first Israel-Arab conflict.



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freedquaker said:
Mr Puggsly said:

When there is war its innocent people that suffer the most. The highest death counts are generally civilians.

Israel wants a cease fire, but Hamas wants all jews dead. Therefore I put the blame of dead civilians on Hamas.


There are always civillian deaths? Is this an excuse? You are reading minds but the results are clear. The civillian deaths on the Palestinian side is about 100 times more. The children deaths are infinitely more. This is not a war, this is not even a massacre, this is pure genocide. The facts will not change however you try to spin it.

I'm saying Hamas is more to blame for civilian deaths. They are responsible for the war.

Claims of genocide have no validity given Israel is under attack. Simple as that.



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Israel are rich and powerful. The Palestinians are poor Arabs. The USA sides with the rich and powerful: Israel due to the USA having a lot of vested interests in Israel