Zarkho said: I'm impressed by the immense ignorance of people posting here... |
Nice post man, i completly agree with u and to the guy who calls russians ''savage'' can i ask why the hell u do that? what u say is LOL worthy...
Zarkho said: I'm impressed by the immense ignorance of people posting here... |
Nice post man, i completly agree with u and to the guy who calls russians ''savage'' can i ask why the hell u do that? what u say is LOL worthy...
Different conflicts of very different natures. In addition to realizing with international law there is no one standard. Some countries can commit real genocide and not even have international organizations even call it that.
While I don't know all the going ons in the Russian conflict I know many nations aren't happy about Russia annexing Crymea (that did happen) So things have materialized.
As for Israel, I'm rather familiar with the region, I won't claim to know all the history. Though I do know many posters in here have posted things that are rather one sided or the other.
though I would like to remind some people of some of the events with Gaza.
When Israel declared independence and the war that followed ended Gaza was under Egyptian control. End ecept for brief moments during wars remained in control until 1967.
Israel granted Gaza self Governence in 1994
In 2001 Rockets start to be launched from Gaza
In 2005 Israel pulled out all it's Military from Gaza as well as all the settlements some of which Israel had to forcible remove the settlers.
In January 2006 Hamas wins Palimentary elections not a majority mind you a plurality, refused to recolonize Israel some sanctions begin
2007 "battle of Gaza" fighting between the Fatah Party and Hamas. Hamas wins. Considered a terror organization by much of the international community.
freedquaker said:
if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian if you are killing 20 times as many people if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE. |
If that's the case why isn't Israel attacking the West Bank as well? Surely, they want to eliminate all Palestinians like Hamas wants to eliminate all Israelis'
They say that Russia attacked Ukraine first, bombed Ukrainian civilians, annexed Crimea and even shoot down the Malaysia Airlines plane... Are you kidding me? |
1. I truly do believe that the protests in Kiev were majorily backed by civilions who honestly want a better life. And for that better life they're looking to the West, the European Union. And not to Russia, where there is no freedom for the press, Putin will basically rule the country like a dictator untill he is dead, gay people are being beaten up ...
Allthough I won't deny that some extremist groups profitted from the protests.
2. You say people are ignorant, yet you claim there was a referendum in Ukraine? Lol. People were intimidated to vote for the annexation, and who really knows what the true results were? Russia organised everything.
3. Parts of a state can't just form a new state out of thin air. I'm all for partial autonomy if the Eastern regions desire this, but declaring independence and taking up arms is NOT the way to do this. When things have settled a referundum (and a real referendum, not one staged by Russia) can be organised to vote for independence, like in Scotland.
4. I don't have enough info to comment on this point, allthough you do seem to make a valid point.
freedquaker said:
if 1 out of 2 people you kill is a child if 4 out of 5 people you kill are civillian if you are killing 20 times as many people if you cannot show physical evidence for aan alleged rocket or a house demolished as a result if you are bombing UN buildings or massacring children on the beach YOU DONT WANT PEACE, YOU WANT GENOCIDE. |
When there is war its innocent people that suffer the most. The highest death counts are generally civilians.
Israel wants a cease fire, but Hamas wants all jews dead. Therefore I put the blame of dead civilians on Hamas.
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It simple: UN and the others have fear of USA. They don't want to lose the support from Americans, so, they simply ignore Israel actions.
Even if Israel nuke Gaza and kills everyone here, UN and the others will ignore.
If it is an American ally = No sanctions.
If it isn't an American ally = Sanctions.
tiffac said:
If that's the case why isn't Israel attacking the West Bank as well? Surely, they want to eliminate all Palestinians like Hamas wants to eliminate all Israelis' |
You probably don't read the history very well I believe because they did much worse to the West Bank in the past, MUCH WORSE.
But I gotta give it credit to Israel, they are much more civilized than the Esad in Syria or ISIS in Iraq. I don't want to sound anti-Israel or pro-Arab either because the people in middle East are their worst enemies. Crimes in Syria or ISIS's crimes in Iraq are actually much worse. I also hate the hypocracy among the middle eastern folks who raise up their voices to the max when Israel does something (and they are RIGHT about it, Israel commits heinous crimes), but they do not take the same stance against Arabs who commit much worse crimes against their own people.
So this is not a war about Jews versus Arabs. I have tremendous friends from both races. Some of the Jews that I know are among the most honorable people I have ever met. It's about RACISM (of one against another) and DESPOTIC REGIMES regardless of race. In the past, (Some) Arabs did it, recently (Nazi) Germans did it, today (Zionist) Jews do it. There will always be incredible people who speak out in all races (Like Choamsky, Finkelstein etc...)
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Richard_Feynman said: Their very culture and society is despicable to me (and I would argue objectively so). Let them kill their own children for wanting to not be Muslim (institutionalized in Muslim countries you know) and let them keep their woman as animals if they want. |
At the risk of sounding like a cultural imperialist, this is one thing I refuse to consider acceptable; the human rights abuses, particularly against women, that are rampant in the Middle East under the guise of Islam.
I would never, ever want to live in a country where female rape victims are put to death for adultery, or women have to be completely covered in public and escorted by a man. It's barbaric, and it makes the expansion of Islam a scary thought to me.
There I said it, call me a bigot if you will.
Does Israel sponsor international terrorism?
Do Israelis celebrate and throw a party when people of the same faith carry out terror attacks against thousands of innocent civilians of all walks of life halfway around the globe?
Does Israel publicly state that their ultimate goal is to push the Palestinians into the sea?
Does the Israeli government spend all of its money / raw materials on weapons and terror network tunnels rather than infrastructure for its people?
Does the Israeli government / military use its own population as human shields and use schools and hospitals to launch attacks and store munitions?
No?
THAT is why Israel isn't heavily sanctioned. To those of you who think that Israel is conducting a 2nd Holocaust against the Palestinians, a big f*ck you to you.
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Zuhyc said:
2. You say people are ignorant, yet you claim there was a referendum in Ukraine? Lol. People were intimidated to vote for the annexation, and who really knows what the true results were? Russia organised everything. 3. Parts of a state can't just form a new state out of thin air. I'm all for partial autonomy if the Eastern regions desire this, but declaring independence and taking up arms is NOT the way to do this. When things have settled a referundum (and a real referendum, not one staged by Russia) can be organised to vote for independence, like in Scotland. 4. I don't have enough info to comment on this point, allthough you do seem to make a valid point. |
1. It is OK if you believe that, but beliefs are one thing and facts are other. The Majority of the demonstrators were orthodox of ukranian ethnicity protesting corruption, the pro-russian stand of he government (remember: an elected government, so even if it is pro-russian that is what the majority of the population of the country had choosen) and claiming that that was a protest for god and their fatherland. Then Svoboda party militants, with an important presence in the demonstrations, started rioting and clashing with the police. Once more in case it is not clear: SVOBODA IS A NAZI PARTY. And thay made it to the government after the Coup. So please, don't be naive: Russia (specially today) has a lot of negative things; lack of freedom of press and expression, corruption, persecution of homosexuality, etc. etc. etc. And I, like most of the reasonable people in the world do not support that. But demonizing Russia and lying about Russia (ssaying that they started the war with Ukraine, or that they bombed the Malasyan Airlines plane, which is not true) only serves to justify evil geopolitical positions that just want war and confrontation (beacuse they profite from war and confrontation and because setting the attention on an evil enemy lets them to act with impunity).
2. Yes, I say some people are ignorants, and you pretty much fall into that area when you affirm things that you do not know and that are false. THERE WAS a referendum, but NOT in Ukraine, as you say, but in Crimea. And thay voted independence and annexation to Russia not because they were intimidated, but because the majority of the population in Crimea (as in the east of Ukraine) are ethnic russians. So please, again, do not manipulate or throw random opinions about things that you do not understand.
3. Any part of a State can form a new state whenever they want. A different thing is if that is a legal or, even better, legitimate move. In the case of Ukraine, the rules of legality and legitimacy were broken first when the rightists were succesfull in a coup d'etat against the elected government. After that, the east provinces organized referendums and declared independence when that option won. It is very simple to understand.
4. No one has enough information about it, and that is why clearly pointing at Russia or the Rebels as the responsible for the bombing is plain manipulation. The commision investigating the bombing, integrated by Malaysians, Australians and Neetherlands proofessionals, has not yet issued a declaration about what happended, so we better shut up and wait for the results instead of helping governments with plain propaganda.
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Just once again: Gaza did not fire rockets against Israel first and then Israel attacked; Israel has been occupying palestinian land since 1948, and even today keeps displacing the original inhabitants of Palestinian towns and builds israeli settlements in the colonized lands. So if they get rockets it is just because they are violating the rights and illegally ocupying the territory of other peoples, who in turn react violently against the occupation.
BTW: Arabs were the majority of the population in the area in 1948, not jews, and jews were not even the original inhabitants of the land; before David and the 12th tribes the people of Canaan and the Phoenicians were living there first.