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Forums - Politics Discussion - Why isn't Israel heavily sanctioned? (Double Standards!)

I'm impressed by the immense ignorance of people posting here.

They say that Russia attacked Ukraine first, bombed Ukrainian civilians, annexed Crimea and even shoot down the Malaysia Airlines plane... Are you kidding me?

1. There was a Coup d'etat in Ukraine. Right wing protestors, backed by the violent neo-nazis of Svoboda party outed the government from Kiev and set a new right wing government where Svoboda (Again, NAZIS, people, learn a little) played an important role. The US, EU and FMI supported the new government because they wanted to harm Russia, and promised the new government millions of Euros in exchange of certain policy reforms (reforms that would lower the work and rights standards and harm sovereignty, which is the reason why the reforms were rejected by the parliament and the government recently resigned). You can Google a little and learn that this is all true (and, in fact, it would be nice to Google a little before you post the absurd things you're posting).

2. Because of this Euromaidan Coup d'etat (which was initially sold as a "struggle for freedom and against corruption", but the truth is that it was a bunch of nationalist, nazis and ultra-orthodox demonstrating against the pro-Russian government), the people of Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk, regions populated by people of russian etnicity, declared independence from Ukraine. Crimea also organized one referendum in which the option of joining Russia won. IT WAS NOT AN ANNEXATION, it was a voluntary union that went through referendum.

3. The government of Kiev (capital of Ukraine), seeing the country loosing territory, started a war against the new independent terrtories, mainly the Republics of Lugansk and Donetsk. KIEV (not Russia) has been bombing the streets of the cities in these republics causing thousands of civilian victims. Russia has supported the rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk, but Russia HAS NOT started a war.

4. About the Malaysian Airlines plane bombing, IT IS NOT CLEAR what happened. People here is assuming that it was Russia or the rebels who bombed the plane, but here in Europe (lucky we still have plural media not as biased as the US one) lots of newspapers and agencies say that the rebels didn't have the capacity to fire planes at that altitude, and that in fact it was probably Kiev who shoot down the plane. What interest could Russia have in bombing a civil aircraft?? It would totally go against their interest. On the other hand, there is no proof that the Donetsk rebels have such weapons, but if they were the ones bombing the plane, it was probably a terrible mistake in which they mistook a commercial plane for a military one.

About Israel:

1. Israel was established in 1948 in an Arab territory in which Jews were less than 1/3 of the population and owed less than 1/7 of the land (this statistics come from te UN commision created at that time to research about the situation). Despite that, the Jewish state got more than 66% of Palestine. That's, partially, why Arab states rejected the UN plan; because it gave to a minority the majority of the land and clashed the arab's own wish for independence.

2. The UN in 1948 was composed of less than 1/3 of the world nations. Russia, who was against the creation of the state of Israel, was not present in the voting that approved the establishment of the Jewish state (which they would have vetoed). Therefore, pretending that the 1948 backing of the state of Israel gives them any legitimacy is absurd.

3. GAZA HAS NOT STARTED THE WAR. Since way before 1948 the Zionists have wagged war against the Palestinians, devastating Arab towns in the area, expelling their residents and occupying their land. There are now more than 3 million Palestinian refugees that were expelled from their lands by Israel. And Israel keeps occupying Palestinian land in the West Bank. THAT IS WHY some Palestinian armed groups (not all Palestinians) fire rockets to Israeli settlements built in what previously was Palestinian land. If Israel wants peace, they better stop acting as a colonist and give the Palestinian territories to their legitimate owners.

4. Of course, Israel won't be punished, despite he has wagged war with every neighbor country and committed thousands of human rights violations, because it is a key strategical ally for the US and the EU.

So PLEASE, PEOPLE, learn a little history and investigate the actual facts before coming with statements that are usually used to justify wars and war crimes and to forgive the executioner.



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The US haven't been able to get their lips off Israel's cock since it's formation, despite the countless human rights abuses, and genocide it's brought to the people of Palestine.

Plus it's the only friend the US has in the middle east; the rest got a bit suspicious of the US when they started droning their weddings.



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Furor Putin keeps threatening nukes every turn.

Israel is defending itself. regardless of your politics it is just that.



 

hard to say Israel is defending itself when its killing large sections of the population.



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McGilliguts said:
Why can't the palestinians just move on, like every other conquered people in history. Terrorism and hatred is their petulant response to their own failure and incompetence.


I really wanted to write a response to you, that would be just as ignorant and offensive, but I can't top your post. I hope mods understand just how vile, and ethically inappropriate such a statement is towards all victims of violence regardless of their background, identity or religion. 



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McGilliguts said:
Why can't the palestinians just move on, like every other conquered people in history. Terrorism and hatred is their petulant response to their own failure and incompetence.


^Is this bannable? 



Scisca said:

Nice Indian Wars poster there.



Russia invaded Ukraine and started the aggression...
Gaza launched missiles first and started the hostilities...

Pretty simple.



McGilliguts said:
Why can't the palestinians just move on, like every other conquered people in history. Terrorism and hatred is their petulant response to their own failure and incompetence.

It's so easy to make responses like this when you don't think in the victim's shoes. Would you just "move on" if theives broke into your house, murdered your family, stole all of your money/resources, and decided to claim your house for their own?



Scisca said:

but at least one group tries to get to a positive destination and get civilized. The same can be said about neither Jihad, nor Russians.

Basically this.

I believe Israel ultimately wants peace, but their enemies are worse than the Nazis.



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