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The Fury said:
TheSting said:
Captain_Tom said:

Um, no.  They are just dirt cheap already.  There is a reason Sony didn't allow EA access:  these games would have appeared on PS+ and games for gold.  However now you get "The Choice" of paying $30 for them instead getting them for free.  Congratulations!

More negative guessing lol. Congratulations

In the last 2/3 years, Dead Space 2 and 3 have appeared on PS+, if EA Access existed at the time, they wouldn't, they would have put them on that to make that more appealing. If numerous companies did this, PS+ and GwG wouldn't have as much to offer and so they become devalued. While EA themselves are fine with making more on older games, we as consumers are geting less and paying more.


So? They can always offer 1st party. He is still guessing



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TheSting said:

So? They can always offer 1st party. He is still guessing

Yes but only first party. Guessing or not, it's how it will work. In 2012 MS published 10 games and of those 6 were Kinect. So that is 10 games that in 2013 GwG could have offered (if it existed) as they wouldn't put new games on there (they only published 3 games in 2013), many might not even be able to play the Kinect ones so maybe 4 games? Even then MS might not want to do that as the games are only a year old so could still be selling.

The idea is that Sony and MS will approach a publisher and offer them money in exchange for say per download of their game, a game potentially not making money anymore (or at least limited) and this also gives the potential for added sales of DLC and other things. Publisher gets income, Sony get Income and consumer gets value. EA Access is trying to remove the middle man (Sony and MS) and for them to make it more appealing they will remove games that would have been on GwG and PS+, so they get majority of the money, charging extra and MS and Sony still charge the same, bad for the consumer.

If all publishers did this, sure it will be great value for you if you see value in one package but you are still paying for Gold and PS+ and getting less from it as well as paying other companies as well.

It's like if ABC decided that all their content on Netflix shouldn't be there anymore, they then setup their own service charging just slightly less (£3 a month). Sure they make more money but the content is divided, people won't want to sign on to Netflix (£6 a month) and ABC's new feature when at one point all they did was sign up to 1 of them and got everything for less than the 2 combined (£9 a month).



Hmm, pie.

LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Joke all you want, but history is repeting itself. DLC and timed exclusive content where the first step. Something tells me its people like you who laugh about it now, the ones who will be first to cry when the shit hits the fan.


DLC and timed exclusive content has been around for years, almost two decades it seems. If you're telling me in 20-40 years some of your wild predictions might maybe eventually perhaps maybe come possibly true, well, I'll gladly take "crying" over it then than crying now over the mere maybe possibility it might eventually down the line potentially happen. Thanks.

DLC started on the dreamcast and it took MS around a year to copy it, most likely a lot sooner. It was free then for the dreamcast and MS wasted no time in charging for dlc. the PS2 or gamecube where not online capable untill later the ps2 had an add on so that feture satyed off those consoles. But then next gen it was  a standard in all 3 consoles. Now to see a game without it its like finding a unicorn. That was incredibly fast if you aske me, A year not 20 like you like to exagerate. You can refrsh your history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content 

I'm cant say anything about exclusive deals cuz thats done by the console owners to get people to buy their console. But its a stretegy that EAA is trying to imitate. That little service is like a platform on its own in wich you pay to be able to get something otherwise unabailable. Its ovbious to see where this is going, its not a matter of "if", its "when".



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TheSting said:

I can really tell you are trying hard as hell to push your opinion with the poem.
I expect to choose the service that fits me and buy newer games when i choose to. If it comes to that. What is the problem? Why are you desperately trying to paint this from your one sided view?
Ive yet to play Mass Effect 2&3. Sitting on my desk. They are new to me arent they? Or will you argue that they are old lol.

My opinion? You think Im the only one who wants this? Like others, I want people to wake up and not suport a practice that could reallly hurt us all in the near future. Read my coment before this one to see me push harder with more data. We have Documentation, writen down on history of how bad all companys can be and ass soon as they get the chance or know that it became a necesety to have that service, they will remove content and charge aditional fees. 

Should still be new to you I get that. But this is EA, most of their games are yearly updates that if you played one, you played them all and are only on the vault cuz the next iteration is almost out and it wil cost next to nothing when that happens.



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Jazz2K said:
eva01beserk said:
Jazz2K said:


The same as when companies like either MS or Sony makes eclusive DLC for multiplat games, isolating those who can't affort or have no interest in the other console... Huh? They would be stupid to do this though and I hope when/if they do people will be vocal. 

You know I hope you really dislike every kind of subscription based models since you seem to really think subs offer only bad services. 

Then you admit that was a bad practice. That should have never been allowed to happen. Now fate gave us a chance to prevent another evil from rising, we need to stop them now before its to late.

Locking content that users already paid for is bad pratice yes. Whoever does it should get called for.

 

 

eva01beserk said:

Then your just admiting that you only like it because you think it will help the x1. We sould not think like that. Thats like sighning a deal with the devil, its all sunshine and raimbows now, but in the future we will all have to pay for it just because people like you cling to desperation and pushed something that will affect us all. I also want all 3 to succed because gen 6 was awfull and 7 when everithing was equall was the best. But this is not the way to move. It will help the x1 sure, but the total amount of gamers will move away from consoles gaming because of it.

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? I like competition a lot and especially when we get choices. EAA is another way to get games and I like it. Seems some other people like the idea too. I don't care if Square Enix, Activision and Ubisoft start doing the same really. As long as we get to have a choice in how we get our games. If you leave that to only one provider be sure they'll find all sorts of way to screw you hard. 

It would not be up to one provider. You think MS is sitting on their hands and soon wont come up with their own version. When that happens they will put sony on check and its acceptable cuz they are a platform holder and they will stay competitive. But now we have restrictions from the devs added to the restrictions from the platform holder, this is screwing us even harder, and when all of them do it,we will probably have to abandone consoles.

Look man Im not a sony fan if thats what you think. Im happy with nintendo only if in the future they are the only ones who dont restrict content like that, even if I can only play nintendo games. But when this happens, all gamers will move to PC's seing as how they are getting cheaper and more powerfull and consoles will die all together and maybe only stay nintendo for a brief period. Getting a little ahead this gen even if it cost us all the death of console gaming is going to be in the hands of the xbox fans to decide. Wich seeing by some of he coments on this forum, they rader all cosoles fail then just their loved favorite.



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eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Joke all you want, but history is repeting itself. DLC and timed exclusive content where the first step. Something tells me its people like you who laugh about it now, the ones who will be first to cry when the shit hits the fan.


DLC and timed exclusive content has been around for years, almost two decades it seems. If you're telling me in 20-40 years some of your wild predictions might maybe eventually perhaps maybe come possibly true, well, I'll gladly take "crying" over it then than crying now over the mere maybe possibility it might eventually down the line potentially happen. Thanks.

DLC started on the dreamcast and it took MS around a year to copy it, most likely a lot sooner. It was free then for the dreamcast and MS wasted no time in charging for dlc. the PS2 or gamecube where not online capable untill later the ps2 had an add on so that feture satyed off those consoles. But then next gen it was  a standard in all 3 consoles. Now to see a game without it its like finding a unicorn. That was incredibly fast if you aske me, A year not 20 like you like to exagerate. You can refrsh your history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content 

I'm cant say anything about exclusive deals cuz thats done by the console owners to get people to buy their console. But its a stretegy that EAA is trying to imitate. That little service is like a platform on its own in wich you pay to be able to get something otherwise unabailable. Its ovbious to see where this is going, its not a matter of "if", its "when".


It only "started with Dreamcast" if you're completely ignoring PC. Read your own link. Also, PS2 had paid DLC as well. Maybe even GCN too, Idk.

 

EA isn't going to lock entire games to the service because they realize their service is niche while most of their games are mass appeal. This wworks for Sony and MS because there is no competition. If EA locks a game like Battlefield behind EA Access people will just buy CoD.



LudicrousSpeed said:

 

eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Joke all you want, but history is repeting itself. DLC and timed exclusive content where the first step. Something tells me its people like you who laugh about it now, the ones who will be first to cry when the shit hits the fan.


DLC and timed exclusive content has been around for years, almost two decades it seems. If you're telling me in 20-40 years some of your wild predictions might maybe eventually perhaps maybe come possibly true, well, I'll gladly take "crying" over it then than crying now over the mere maybe possibility it might eventually down the line potentially happen. Thanks.

DLC started on the dreamcast and it took MS around a year to copy it, most likely a lot sooner. It was free then for the dreamcast and MS wasted no time in charging for dlc. the PS2 or gamecube where not online capable untill later the ps2 had an add on so that feture satyed off those consoles. But then next gen it was  a standard in all 3 consoles. Now to see a game without it its like finding a unicorn. That was incredibly fast if you aske me, A year not 20 like you like to exagerate. You can refrsh your history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content 

I'm cant say anything about exclusive deals cuz thats done by the console owners to get people to buy their console. But its a stretegy that EAA is trying to imitate. That little service is like a platform on its own in wich you pay to be able to get something otherwise unabailable. Its ovbious to see where this is going, its not a matter of "if", its "when".


It only "started with Dreamcast" if you're completely ignoring PC. Read your own link. Also, PS2 had paid DLC as well. Maybe even GCN too, Idk.

 

EA isn't going to lock entire games to the service because they realize their service is niche while most of their games are mass appeal. This wworks for Sony and MS because there is no competition. If EA locks a game like Battlefield behind EA Access people will just buy CoD.

They started it with consoles and MS started charging for it, but thats not the poin. Its that as soon as one did it, it took almost no time for the others to do it to including sony and nintendo. PC's used to have expansion wich where a lot more meninfull and actually added content unstead of removing it and selling it to you separatly.

But they already locked the madded early acces behind it. And its not going to start with entire games, it wwill be like dlc, or exclusive content. Its like the deal with origin and nintendo, when they refused nintendo dint see another EA game on the console. Another thing was when EA and steam had the same issue but steam caved so now they haveorigin integrated. So it has already happened.



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If anyone out there is not interest in EA access because they might own the game from the vault, I would recommend to you to sell every game that you own that are in the vault while there is still an opportunity to do so and use the money earn to get a year membership. A year from now when your membership expire you can decide to renew, switch to a month by month or purchase the one game that you want to own because by then it would be dirt cheap used or digital.

The EA Access is of great value as long as your play just one of the game offered in the vault, the trial offered by the service is also superior to PS now rental service in term of costs.

I've played Peggle 2 over 10 hour, over 30 hours of battle field 4 and nfl 15 trial for 6 hours ... I just recently downloaded NHL 15 trial and will play 6 hours and Need for speed Rivals .... I paid $29.99 for over 50 hours of gaming and that's only in the first month of service.

Ea access was never suppose to be a system seller it should be a standard service for both console, but Sony stand on EA Access give Microsoft a boost. If it does become a system seller, Sony will change their policy!



Vasto said:
RenCutypoison said:
That's just psplus for fifa/madden fans ...


So yeah system seller.

 

I have EA Access and dont play Fifa or Madden.


What EA franchise do you have an interest in ?



Jazz2K said:
DonFerrari said:
Jazz2K said:


Yeah the OP is a stretch I agree but the reasoning behind their purchase made me think other people will think the same way. 

Isn't Sony releasing a similar product where you can play Playstation games after you subscribe? But you still have to pay for every games and for a limited time... if this is better for you then good, I think subscriptions will help publishers get more recognition and gamers will be able to acces more games than by buying them separately.

Well, some users love anedoctal evidence... And IF I were a big EA fan and had no prefference towards any of the 3 manufacturers I could see this program being a good value for me and deciding for MS because of it. That may be a small number of people, but there certainly enough to rise sales... Now about people who already plan on getting an X1 this can make they decide faster (well I can buy MCC, TF and have this 5 "free games" for 500...) so that is enough games to jump in.

But regarding the risks of all pubs doing it and how they can start making the program less interesting with time we can't deny the existence... Just hope things don't get too crazy.


I fully understand how bad this could get if publishers decide to make the program less interesting. Like they could lock some content in games for those who did not subscribe and release the locked content like 1 year later. But that practice is already happening, subs have nothing to do with it. Just like releasing a game exclusively to EAA members. That again, no need to look specificaly at subs. Then again, what prevents either Sony or MS to penalize gamers for not subscribing to XBLG or PS+/Now? You already have to pay to play online. I don't see all the doom and gloom around this... except for last gen when only MS had you pay for online play and have access to apps etc.


Well if you understand the risks and know EA common pratices you can see how this could gradually get ugly. And they already mentioned DLC exclusive to EA access haven't they? Yes EA could do several bad things without recurring to EA access, but EA access serves as another instance for bad things...

Regarding GwG and PS+ at least for Sony I'm sure if you downloaded it until you have PS+ (and even if you stay without it for some years and them get it again) the game will always be replayable and redownloadable (not sure if they can take it out of their servers), MS I don't know much, the only thing I saw they change was that before the game was yours to keep even when leaving GwG and now it is just while subscribing (not sure if when renewing after a time off you get access to the older games you had in the previous sub).



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