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Tachikoma said:

But what choice would they have? you make a valid point but companies aren't going to try to balance out the situation when it's both impossible to and does not benefit them to do so anyway.

The best they can do is be transparent about the information they do present, rather than hide the formula they used to attain the result, and for the most part, that's what they did.

I think everyone here is in pretty much the same agreement that this is pretty much standard fare for PR best-casing, so long as theres enough details left alone for us to descern spin from outright lies, there's really no reason to be upset about it.

Even if companies were willing to be objective towards each others performance and to the public, what would be the point in comparing marketshare for the ps4 with timescales that don't include it?, i wouldn't expect Nintendo or Microsoft to do the same, nor would I be surprised if they, as they often times do, seek the best possible outcome to release in a PR statement, because that, by and large, is why PR exists.

PR isn't there to be your friend, it's there to paint the company and it's products in the best possible light.

The only time this should ever be an issue worthy of discussion, is when it can be proven, outright, that the company is flat out lying.

Customers are no different in that respect, if a customers console breaks and they call support, if the support staff asks how the console came to be broken, the owner is more likely to tell half-truths than be completely forthcoming, "it stopped working and does not turn on" and "i was messing about and knocked it off the table, now it isnt working" both relay the same message "the console is broken", but one paints the event in it's best light, while the other means risking trading complete honesty for a denial of assistance.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with all that. :3 PR is simply a part of a business' strategem, and Sony's PR was no more 'evil' or 'unethical' or other big, scary words than any other use of it.

I just meant to point out to anyone who had been saying, in criticism of what Sony stated, that 'Well, instead they should compare THIS, it'd be all fair and whatnot,' that, no, it wouldn't actually be fair. Whether it's comparing current Wii U sales to current PS4 sales, or launch Wii U sales to launch PS4 sales, there's too many different circumstances to come up with the sort of 'unbiased measurement' some people are claiming would be ideal, because pretty much every comparison brings with it extrenuating circumstances that stack the chips in favor of one company or another. As the situation stands, due to the circumstances of both product launches, there IS no objective, fair, equal, etc way to look at the performances of both products in that market. So all Sony did was choose one of the angles that presented them in a positive light; even Nintendo discussing current Wii U sales in Japan against PS4 sales would be presenting themselves in a positive light, not 'fairly, objectively measuring' anything.



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Indeed thats some spinning.

I guess it wouldnt help if they only showed 7th generation or only 8th generation. These things are always a matter of perspective. Companies spin all the time.



Wow and I thought MS was the best at spinning...



    

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Tachikoma said:
Zanten said:
I'm kinda irked that I tried twice to raise what I at least thought were logical counterpoints (logical enough to address, if nothing else,) and got ignored both times. -_- Anybody else like to address what I wrote? Page 17, Post 4 is the crux, really. =P Gist is 'the launch patterns of the PS4 and the Wii U make anything resembling a 'fair comparison' all but impossible, as regardless of how you look at it, there's likely to be some slanting benefit for one side, or the other. Because they launched at different times in the year, even a 'from launch' comparison has the potential for unavoidable slant. Sony just decided to pick one of the angles that slanted towards THEM.' xP

But what choice would they have? you make a valid point but companies aren't going to try to balance out the situation when it's both impossible to and does not benefit them to do so anyway.

The best they can do is be transparent about the information they do present, rather than hide the formula they used to attain the result, and for the most part, that's what they did.

I think everyone here is in pretty much the same agreement that this is pretty much standard fare for PR best-casing, so long as theres enough details left alone for us to descern spin from outright lies, there's really no reason to be upset about it.

Even if companies were willing to be objective towards each others performance and to the public, what would be the point in comparing marketshare for the ps4 with timescales that don't include it?, i wouldn't expect Nintendo or Microsoft to do the same, nor would I be surprised if they, as they often times do, seek the best possible outcome to release in a PR statement, because that, by and large, is why PR exists.

PR isn't there to be your friend, it's there to paint the company and it's products in the best possible light.

The only time this should ever be an issue worthy of discussion, is when it can be proven, outright, that the company is flat out lying.

Customers are no different in that respect, if a customers console breaks and they call support, if the support staff asks how the console came to be broken, the owner is more likely to tell half-truths than be completely forthcoming, "it stopped working and does not turn on" and "i was messing about and knocked it off the table, now it isnt working" both relay the same message "the console is broken", but one paints the event in it's best light, while the other means risking trading complete honesty for a denial of assistance.

Exactly. It's quite obvious that Sony is trying to build momentum for the PS4 (and Vita) to get them to sell in Japan. Is this still spinning? Yes, but we all have seen a lot worse spins than this and yet some people are overreacting like crazy.



You appear to have forgotten this:

"**Update** I’ve been informed that Sony says they own 78% of the home console market with their numbers starting in 2014. This is of course to incorporate the launch of the PS4, and to exclude any good sales the Wii had in previous years. I still believe this is PR spin because they only go from 2014, Market Share isn’t dictated from 2014 and on. Its based on the total amount of consoles sold in comparison to the competition. I honestly feel this is a dishonest way of determining market share. Especially midway through the year with the launch of your system against other systems who have already launched. Thanks NanoShock for clarifying things "

As such this thread has been disproven. Thus it shall be locked.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.