I am already have similar bet with badir. 2 months avatar and SIG control. After him u can take control for two months.

See, that's the point! What does matter is not the Wii U selling good or bad, it's about if we find ourselves satisfied with the games we experience. The Wii success left me a bitter taste in mouth because Nintendo had trouble keeping a steady pace of games ongoing so I could try out new experiences. But then I bought a Wii U, found myself playing my first Pikmin game and really enjoying the gameplay, tried out Wind Waker for the first time and be able to play IMO the best DK game released ever.

In the end, I just wonder why is it so important to make those kind of threads while the forums here are supposed to gather the gaming population, not tear it apart and divide people. We live in a time where were really unsure about the future of console gaming, and I think we should remain supportive about the whereabouts of any console, good or bad. Creativity may be the only thing left that hadn't been totally gone from this industry. As we speak, more and more studios are shutting down or moving over cheapass 1$ games on smartphones.

We need to stop pointing out how badly the Wii U sells, and start being positive about the games. It's all that always mattered, the games. And Nintendo still hasn't give up about the console just yet, as you can see with all the upcoming AND already released games that braced the Wii U, from MK8 to Splatoon. May I remind everyone that releasing that much games in a year, for two consoles, at this rate without any 3rd parties backing up is pretty fantastic to my eyes. Maybe not sufficient, but still, Nintendo fights and so you need to. We need to struggle to keep this afloat and purify the threads on VG from all the crap that some users are willing to put on it just for the sake of sensationalism.

It doesn't work that way though Oni. If I can show you 1 console that sells boatloads first and foremost on Nintendo games, then there must be another reason why the N64 and friends don't sell than "Nintendo gamers just don't buy that many games".

this is fair. While we are at it, maybe some people could stop making crazy predictions on how well the thing will sell. When someone says something like the Wii U will end up selling 50mil knowing the sales trend and with NO concrete data to support that, you end up with threads like this. Which i dont see why people would have a problem with it. The only thing the OP could have did was just present the numbers and let them speak for themselves nothing else was needed.

You said so right here Oni:

"oh i agree with you, but thats the point of it all isnt it? People buy Ninty systems for Ninty games, BUT its not that many people. Fact is the fanbase for Ninty games isnt as big as some people want to believe. Otherwise Wii U would be doing much better and GC and N64 would have done better. And no people bought N64 for Ninty games as well, the writing was on the wall that all the major 3rd party stuff would be going to PS1 or at least they would get it first."

Then we both reasoned that Nintendo's portable line disproves that line of thinking. That leads to your question "What made the N64, cube and now U sell less?" and that is the million dollar question.

In my U will bloom thread, I explained what I believed would cause the U to bloom. I mentioned the price, I mentioned the games, and I mentioned the Amiibos. I honestly believe that Nintendo's popularity has grown since the cube days. True the U is doing poorly, but I believe the entrance fee is too high right now. I also believe that all the key games need to be out for the U to break out of its current state (60k). In contrast, I believe Nintendo's brand lost popularity during the PS1 and PS2 days due to the astounding popularity of the PS brand at the time. I don't think that popularity is as strong today, or at least doesn't hinder Nintendo's popularity as much as it did in the past, the Wii being testament to that.

i never said they didnt, now you are putting words in my mouth. Answer my question. I answered yours. Cause the only Ninty home console that really did gangbusters is the Wii, maybe NES but that was teh only game in town. So you tell me if the Nintendo gmaes themselves are that much great why dont the average console does much better? Hell SOny at its worse selling still manage to sell 80mil+ thats better than every Ninty home console besides Wii for comparison sakes. So the only logical conclusion is there was something different about the Wii that allowed it to sell that well.