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enditall727 said:

 

 

Is there a part in that even makes me sound mad there? Reading it back to myself i dont see anything that makes me sound mad one bit.  So you can over-react with your "WTF!?"  I am going to go to bed though




       

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eva01beserk said:
SvennoJ said:
It managed to reel me in from the get-go and keep my attention until the very end.
I finally had a moment to soak in The Order's world, and all I wanted was for it to be over.

Which is it?

Action packed demos are never a good idea to introduce a game. You get thrown in, ushered along, have no experience with the tools yet, etc. The worst was Enslaved: Odyssey to the west. Which is one reason why we don't get demos anymore. Just wait for reviews from people that actually play the whole thing.

I never even heard of that game before untill my brother gave it to me, ended up liking it a lot. I dont know about the reviews of the game or even the score since I already had it without knoing about it, but all that should not matter anyways. I think if this is your type of game, you wont really think what anyone says about it and your going to buy it. Like me,  dont like multyplayer shooters, so it dosent matter how great people talk about destiny or COD, I still wont get them even if they score a perfect 10.

Many people dismissed Enslaved because of the demo, which was a very linear qte heavy action sequence. (Just the very start of the game, getting of the transport ship) Not representative of 95% of the actual gameplay at all.

At first The order didn't really catch my eyes, but the more I see from it, the more interested I get. I don't know why cinematic is a dirty word nowadays, cinematic platformers used to be the best. Currently it's more often used as a negative. Ofcourse there is a difference between cinematic and having long non interactive cut scenes. Maybe that distinction is lost. I love the expanded horizontal view of movies shot in 2.35:1. A viewpoint that is optimized for a wide fov is something that draws my attention. On PC I crank up the fov slider when available, but that always leaves you with a distorted image.



JayWood2010 said:
enditall727 said:

 

 

Is there a part in that even makes me sound mad there? Reading it back to myself i dont see anything that makes me sound mad one bit.  So you can over-react with your "WTF!?"  I am going to go to bed though


Because you tried to accuse everybody( not just me) of being upset for whatever reason IN THAT VERY SAME COMMENT that you reread. You tried to say that we live in an Uncharted world lol. Like we're claiming that every game is like Uncharted. Meanwhile, an individual can use that same logic and say the same about you while you're in your haste to put Gears over Uncharted LOL. Don't sit here and try to act brand new..

 

Good night ;)



TheBlackNaruto said:
JayWood2010 said:


Its very hard to say this doesnt look like gears esque gameplay.  Its like you all are upset somebody is comparing it to Gears which is what popularized this style of gameplay and is the standard for it.  Its going to happen.  People arent comparing it to Uncharted because it doesnt play like Uncharted.  As said before, I can think of only one game that is widely known to play like Unharted.  That is Tomb Raider.

As i said, its hard to say it doesnt have Gears esque gameplay, and people can complain all they want as shown above, but it will be compared to gears.

Games get compared to others all the time. The thing that gets annoying to me is that almost ANY TPS game with a  cover system gets compared to Gears of War now or is called a clone. Heck even Uncharted was compared to Gears Of War at some point and it is nothing like Gears outside of being a TPF with a cover system.  The game play looks NOTHING like Gears to me outside of being a TPS. Heck to be honest Gears seemed WAY smoother than this game.

Heck I get more of a KZ feel with this game than I do a Gears Of War feeling when looking at this game. And that is odd for me. I guess it is the atmosphere....


Idk why but for some reason, i keep getting a resident Evil 4 vibe from this game.



Not surprising. When it was announced I was super hyped, but it's been deflated each time I see more of it. Now it just seems like a generic Gears clone with gameplay even more cliche than what Gears itself has become.



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enditall727 said:


Idk why but for some reason, i keep getting a resident Evil 4 vibe from this game.


You're wrong! It can only be compared to Gears because Gears created the universe.

 

You're right though. It can be compared quite well with RE4. But since there's ONE aspect in the game that Gears popularized, it gets compared to it. 



CGI-Quality said:
enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:


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Cinematic set pieces didn't do it how uncharted did it until Uncharted came out, obviously. Also i'm not talking about story. I'm talking about GAMEPLAY where you can actually die.

Also, i just played Splinter Cell conviction. It plays like Uncharted.. Not as good but it plays like it. The motherfucker moves around JUST LIKE Nathan Drake. I just played this game like 3 weeks ago before trading it in..

Hmm.. So when you say Gears Of War "clones" you're talking specifically "gun play"? And you're saying that the gears clones are only gears clones because they havrhave similar gun play?

You said that The Order looks like Gears and i'm guessing that is also specifically because of the gun play, right? But when i look at The Order, The gun play doesn't look as good as it does in gears to me. The only thing i see that looks like gears is maybe the cover system? Which almost all TPS games use now.. Or maybe you're talking about something else..?

Much agreed here. Having played The Order, though, it really feels like a mix of Uncharted and Gears of War. Yep, talking game-play, not just cinematics (which is much more to Uncharted's flavor). Still, you got the jest of what I was saying earlier.

Im not smarter then the average bear so it took me a while to see what you and jaywood where doing. You are both just saying that xbox and playstation are the inspiration for it. Then it took an idiot like me to throw in nintendo with RE4. Nice way to keep the the console war secret and not get moderated for derailing the thread. Now I see why these people are getting so mad defending this gears vs uncharted thing, at least jaywood seems a little mad or to passionate about this subject. 



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enditall727 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
JayWood2010 said:


Its very hard to say this doesnt look like gears esque gameplay.  Its like you all are upset somebody is comparing it to Gears which is what popularized this style of gameplay and is the standard for it.  Its going to happen.  People arent comparing it to Uncharted because it doesnt play like Uncharted.  As said before, I can think of only one game that is widely known to play like Unharted.  That is Tomb Raider.

As i said, its hard to say it doesnt have Gears esque gameplay, and people can complain all they want as shown above, but it will be compared to gears.

Games get compared to others all the time. The thing that gets annoying to me is that almost ANY TPS game with a  cover system gets compared to Gears of War now or is called a clone. Heck even Uncharted was compared to Gears Of War at some point and it is nothing like Gears outside of being a TPF with a cover system.  The game play looks NOTHING like Gears to me outside of being a TPS. Heck to be honest Gears seemed WAY smoother than this game.

Heck I get more of a KZ feel with this game than I do a Gears Of War feeling when looking at this game. And that is odd for me. I guess it is the atmosphere....


Idk why but for some reason, i keep getting a resident Evil 4 vibe from this game.

Thank you. People seem to forget it was them who made it popular and not gears.



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JayWood2010 said:
enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:

 

You said that The Order looks like Gears and i'm guessing that is also specifically because of the gun play, right? 


Its very hard to say this doesnt look like gears esque gameplay.  Its like you all are upset somebody is comparing it to Gears which is what popularized this style of gameplay and is the standard for it.  Its going to happen.  People arent comparing it to Uncharted because it doesnt play like Uncharted.  As said before, I can think of only one game that is widely known to play like Unharted.  That is Tomb Raider.

As i said, its hard to say it doesnt have Gears esque gameplay, and people can complain all they want as shown above, but it will be compared to gears.

Wrong, RE4 made it popular, gears just added cover and a lause gun roster with almost all enemys doing the same thing. Gears basicaally combined RE4 with COD.



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TheGoldenBoy said:
JazzB1987 said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
I just read it on IGN. It's disappointing to say the least but there's still a lot of time until it launches and this is just one man's opinion.

Even if it will end up being crap that wont matter since it looks good. Todays "gamers" (actually mainstreamers) dont care about the gameplay in games but about A) the visuals B) action C) ads on tv etc. So as long as it has propper marketing it will sell because the game already delivers in A+B

That didn't help Beyond: Two Souls or Ryse all that much. As for the marketing aspect, it's obvious if you market a game the better it will sell. So of course even if you heavily market a poor game it will sell, but it can only sell so much on marketing. At some point quality does override marketing.

Yea but the effect seems to help a lot more the bad games. There have been more bad games that sell well do to marketing. Remember wonderfull 101, wich sold poorly due to lack of marketing mainly and it was greatly praised, much like many platinum games. It seems that marketing is the most powerfull drive force to get the game started, then it needs its quality to keep it selling.



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