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wilco said:
Hoodieninja said:

1. When Sin City was popular it wasn't Satire it's purpose was to Exploitive. You're right those games are being Exploitive So what?
Do you complain about Violence in video games or movies? They're still being Self Conscious it's not an excuse, it's true.
What Responsibility is this? These Movies and Video Games don't have any Responsibilities when Teaching you anything.

2. She Claims the Girls in Watchdogs are just being used as Backrounds when the hero is clearly trying to take down the underground industry. The girls are clearly more than just backrounds they are part of a story. One of the many misrepresentations Anita does.

3. That she misrepresents Evidence and that is a fact, that she overexaggerates everything she says, the fact that she is a Femi-Nazi and that she seeks attention through Trolls.

4. Fear? absolutely not, all she tapped into is how stupidly annoying she is and this is why people hate her. LOL Men afraid of Anita what a joke.


1. I am of the opinion that creators should not be limited. If they want to be sexist, racist, etc, I say go for it. But lets call a spade a spade. They shouldn't be immune to criticism. I know you don't want to believe it but the images and messages people see absolutely do have an affect. It may not affect you and me in an obvious way but to say that it has no affect is being naive. The responsiblity media has is to whether or not they want to support the status quo or challenge it. They can choose to go either way and you can enjoy it either way but don't kid yourself into thinking that just because it is entertainment it is meaningless. I wish that was the case but its not, we get bombarded by information every day and it can all start to add up.

2. Saying the npc strippers in watchdogs are "part of the story" because the hero is trying to take down the underground industry does not elevate them beyond background status. It is accurate to say that they are background decoration because most of them are. Sure you may be able to see their algorithmically defined profile like you can for every citizen in that game but they are still just props in a side story.

3. I'm not sure you understand the difference between facts and opinions.

4. Your irrational hatred of her is really fascinating. I really am curious to know where it comes from. 

1. Challenging the Status Quo LOL. Claiming that these movies have a responsibility for teaching you something in the first place. Her Crticisms are nothing but a Soccer Mom's critcism of rated R movies. So what? Challenging the Status Quo to prove that Exploitive Material is Sexist? What a joke.
Of course movies and tv shows have an affect on people. That is why we have RATINGS, and these shown time and time again that Violence in video games doesn't mean you'll do so in real life. It's a Fantasy.

2. No, fallacy. They aren't just props in a side story, they are there to portray that this is how they are being used. They aren't just backround decorations.

3. clearly you don't.

4. Irrational Hatred? how so? If anything has an Irrational Hatred torward anything it's Anita.

Guess what? most men are feminists. If anything I agree with a lot of what Feminists have to say.

Women should be treated equally in the workplace etc...
Women should have equal rights to men
hell I even voted for Hillary.



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Hoodieninja said:

1. Challenging the Status Quo LOL. Claiming that these movies have a responsibility for teaching you something in the first place. Her Crticisms are nothing but a Soccer Mom's critcism of rated R movies. So what? Challenging the Status Quo to prove that Exploitive Material is Sexist? What a joke.

2. No, fallacy. They aren't just props in a side story, they are there to portray that this is how they are being used. They aren't just backround decorations.

3. clearly you don't.

4. Irrational Hatred? how so? If anything has an Irrational Hatred torward anything it's Anita.

1. You challenge the status quo by getting rid of tired tropes that have been so overused they border on parody. I don't understand why anyone would be against this. Even if Sarkeesians videos don't enlighten you on issues of sexism at the very least they show that developers recycle these tropes far too much. If you think her criticisms are just a soccor mom's criticism of rated r movies then you are either not paying attention and are simply parroting what you hear from other people or you don't actually understand the criticisms. 

2. That was the whole point of the background decoration video. Developers add these npc's to give their game a more gritty feel, in this case the seedy underground sex industry. They serve the same purpose that graffiti on a wall does in a video game. It helps set the tone. I don't have any problem with that personally, it can be an effective way of visual storytelling but they are still just background decoration.

3. I'm not the one stating that Anita Sarkeesian is a "femi-nazi" as fact. 

4. What does Anita Sarkeesian hate? Or more acurrately what do you assume that she hates?



wilco said:
Hoodieninja said:

1. Challenging the Status Quo LOL. Claiming that these movies have a responsibility for teaching you something in the first place. Her Crticisms are nothing but a Soccer Mom's critcism of rated R movies. So what? Challenging the Status Quo to prove that Exploitive Material is Sexist? What a joke.

2. No, fallacy. They aren't just props in a side story, they are there to portray that this is how they are being used. They aren't just backround decorations.

3. clearly you don't.

4. Irrational Hatred? how so? If anything has an Irrational Hatred torward anything it's Anita.

1. You challenge the status quo by getting rid of tired tropes that have been so overused they border on parody. I don't understand why anyone would be against this. Even if Sarkeesians videos don't enlighten you on issues of sexism at the very least they show that developers recycle these tropes far too much. If you think her criticisms are just a soccor mom's criticism of rated r movies then you are either not paying attention and are simply parroting what you hear from other people or you don't actually understand the criticisms. 

2. That was the whole point of the background decoration video. Developers add these npc's to give their game a more gritty feel, in this case the seedy underground sex industry. They serve the same purpose that graffiti on a wall does in a video game. It helps set the tone. I don't have any problem with that personally, it can be an effective way of visual storytelling but they are still just background decoration.

3. I'm not the one stating that Anita Sarkeesian is a "femi-nazi" as fact. 

4. What does Anita Sarkeesian hate? Or more acurrately what do you assume that she hates?

1. I'm also Tired of Horror Movie Tropes. So what if Developers recycle these tropes so much, it's part of the Entertainment Buisness. Men don't get all uppity when it comes to typical Male Tropes. The movie industry Exploits Male Behaviour all the time.

2. So just because something is a Backround Decoration does it make Woman less Signifigant? Does it make America less signifigant even though the Lincoln movie is about America?

3.  She's the definition of a Femi-Nazi. She misrepresents data and facts.

4. Story's that Exploit woman. She obviously doesn't care as much about how Woman are treated in the workplace. She cares more about Tropes in movies. She's Criticizing something that doesn't matter and makes little to no sense.

Anita also seems like she clearly hates men. People can defend her all they want, but at the end, people will see how Moronic she is.

She even critcizes Saints Row 4 when it's CLEARLY a PARODY and also a COMEDY.



hm no new evidence from her. and what she had posted looked more like a normal stalker, and not like a pissed gamer...



I wonder if she has a boyfriend because it's really unhealthy to devote so much time to something that you're not even a fan of.



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Hoodieninja said:

1. I'm also Tired of Horror Movie Tropes. So what if Developers recycle these tropes so much, it's part of the Entertainment Buisness. Men don't get all uppity when it comes to typical Male Tropes. The movie industry Exploits Male Behaviour all the time.

2. So just because something is a Backround Decoration does it make Woman less Signifigant? Does it make America less signifigant even though the Lincoln movie is about America?

3.  She's the definition of a Femi-Nazi. She misrepresents data and facts.

4. Story's that Exploit woman. She obviously doesn't care as much about how Woman are treated in the workplace. She cares more about Tropes in movies.


1. If you enjoy your tropes in movies and games that is fine. Why is someone talking about them such a crime? How is the fact that men don't get all "uppity" relevant to what Sarkeesian is doing? So if men don't discuss male tropes she isn't allowed to discuss female tropes?

2. In the media where that thing is the background decoration, yes that thing is less significant. Your second sentence doesn't even make sense so I'm not sure how to address it.

3. Its funny that the people that use words like "femi-nazi" tend to be people that act more like nazi's than anything. Do yourself a favor and lay off the Limbaugh for a while.

4. So it is irrational to hate stories that exploit women? And please don't start the whole "She should talk about Y because Y is more important than X" nonsense. She chose a topic, she is discussing that topic. Argue her points on the topic at hand instead of trying to move the goal post.



wilco said:
Hoodieninja said:

1. I'm also Tired of Horror Movie Tropes. So what if Developers recycle these tropes so much, it's part of the Entertainment Buisness. Men don't get all uppity when it comes to typical Male Tropes. The movie industry Exploits Male Behaviour all the time.

2. So just because something is a Backround Decoration does it make Woman less Signifigant? Does it make America less signifigant even though the Lincoln movie is about America?

3.  She's the definition of a Femi-Nazi. She misrepresents data and facts.

4. Story's that Exploit woman. She obviously doesn't care as much about how Woman are treated in the workplace. She cares more about Tropes in movies.


1. If you enjoy your tropes in movies and games that is fine. Why is someone talking about them such a crime? How is the fact that men don't get all "uppity" relevant to what Sarkeesian is doing? So if men don't discuss male tropes she isn't allowed to discuss female tropes?

2. In the media where that thing is the background decoration, yes that thing is less significant. Your second sentence doesn't even make sense so I'm not sure how to address it.

3. Its funny that the people that use words like "femi-nazi" tend to be people that act more like nazi's than anything. Do yourself a favor and lay off the Limbaugh for a while.

4. So it is irrational to hate stories that exploit women? And please don't start the whole "She should talk about Y because Y is more important than X" nonsense. She chose a topic, she is discussing that topic. Argue her points on the topic at hand instead of trying to move the goal post.

1. She is, Did I ever say she shouldn't? There's a whole difference between doing so and Misrepresenting Facts.

2. How does it make Women Less signifigant when they're used as Important to portray something that is wrong?

3. Femi-Nazi is a term used waaay before Limbaugh. So how am I acting like a Nazi? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminazi

4. No there is nothing wrong with that. She just misrepresent facts, and she's completely Biased. She's creating controversy out of something that doesn't matter.

She's as Relevant as Rush Limbaugh. That's how she makes money and it's sad. Her soul purpose is to make a Rise out of people that is a Subject that is as much of a problem as Violence in movies and Video Games.

Did I at all say she doesn't have the right to be an Idiot? Man that'll be amazing Rush Limbaugh taken off the air because clearly he's an idiot that misrepresents data and evidence and spins it just like Sarkeesian does.



Her biggest problem is that she knows where she is wrong, but she is a "marketed" protester, she is not a real feminist complaining about problems in the society, she is appealing to an specific sector I like to call "Tumblr's feminists" and doing exactly what she needs to do to get them in the pocket.

If most of the gamers (and no, we are not 50/50, those figures include mobile games wich is really misleading) were womans, games will be drastically different, but they aren't, most games are targeted to a young male audience.

This is the problem with this kind of feminists, they don't UNDERSTAND what is behind the "discrimination" they just point with a fire blade everything doesn't fulfills their ideas on how society should be. Games have "objectified" women because they aren't targeted to women, as the same way barbie promotes the idea of looking for a "perfect blue prince" in men, but barbie doesn't give as much clicks and views as videogames.

Anita often takes 2 seconds as much to say things like "I know not everything is like that, but 99.9999% is".

There are many strong female characters in videogames:

Ellie, Lightning, Elizabeth, Samus, Trip (Enslaved). I don't know many because I regularly just play shooters and strategy games, but they don't even exist for Anita. Guys, this girl is only doing press and money with this, is like a John Edwards for (no, not even "Radical" but) ridiculous feminists.

 

http://youtu.be/l9Ju-1I1DTU This guy, while being also a bit biased, points a lot of things to "distress" her.



PersonalYisus said

 Ellie, Lightning, Elizabeth, Samus, Trip (Enslaved). I don't know many because I regularly just play shooters and strategy games, but they don't even exist for Anita. Guys, this girl is only doing press and money with this, is like a John Edwards for (no, not even "Radical" but) ridiculous feminists.

 

http://youtu.be/l9Ju-1I1DTU This guy, while being also a bit biased, points a lot of things to "distress" her.


Honestly, she'll just find some way to Criticize those characters too. Ellie is a companion therefore just a Backround Decoration. Ellie needs saving from Joel, she's a Damsel in Distress.

Lightning has some clothes she changes into that is Scandelous. TYPICAL FEMALE TROPES.

Elizabeth is a companion and is just backround decoration.

in fact, yes I realize it isn't Anita making these claims, but I'm sure she'll still find a way similar to these people claiming that Ellie is a Damsel and/or Backround Decoration.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126648-Naughty-Dog-Responds-to-The-Last-of-Us-Sexism-Claims



Hoodieninja said:

1. She is, Did I ever say she shouldn't? There's a whole difference between doing so and Misrepresenting Facts.

2. How does it make Woman Less signifigant when something is Important to portray something that is wrong?

3. Femi-Nazi is a term used waaay before Limbaugh. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminazi

4. No there is nothing wrong with that. She just misrepresent facts, and she's completely Biased. She's creating controversy out of something that doesn't matter.

She's as Relevant as Rush Limbaugh. That's how she makes money and it's sad. Her soul purpose is to make a Rise out of people that is a Subject that is as much of a problem as Violence in movies and Video Games.

 

1. You still haven't presented compelling evidence that she misrepresented facts. And by saying that men don't get all "uppity" you are basically suggesting that there is something inherently wrong with expressing opinions on these issues.

2. As you have basically said in your post these women are a means to an end. They are important not as characters but as plot devices. If something is used only as a means to an end it is less significant by definition. Now lets be clear because this seems to be a crucial point of contention for people like you, that example from watch dogs does not mean that ALL women are less significant, it means that those particulary sex slaves in that particular game are less significant. Lets also be clear that I don't think there is anything wrong with using them as a plot device. I'm simply arguing that they are in fact nothing more than background decoration. Sarkeesian used this example as one example that is part of a bigger trend. Sarkeesian most likely has a problem with the larger trend rather than each and every specific example. The argument of course is that the pervasiveness of these kinds of images in pop culture has a deliterious affect on women who consume this media. I can't really comment on that but it would make sense. I can't fault Sarkeesian for wanting to see women represented in a way that is not just the same tropes trotted out time and again. Hopefully these videos will encourage developers to think outside the box. It doesn't mean that games like watch dogs can't have storylines like that anymore, that is not what this should be about.

3. It doesn't matter where the word orignates from. Its incredibly stupid.

4. She's biased? What is her Bias? The fact that her videos are "controversial" really says something about the gaming community. Part of the reason that her videos on books and movies aren't as popular is because there is no controversy. Only in video games is pointing out obvious sexism as sexism deemd "controversial". There is absolutely nothing controversial about her videos. Her videos are not done in a sensationalist manner, she isn't spewing vitriolic venom at men, she isn't going on angry rants, she isn't even condemning the video game industry the way other groups have in the past... and yet she is "controversial". That, is the thing I find most shocking about all this.

And please stop comparing this to violence in video games. Sarkeesian isn't asking that video games be banned. She isn't saying that all video games need to cater to her personal feminist philosophy. She is just pointing some stuff out. You don't need to take a defensive stance. Noone is trying to take your video games away. Also, the really bad violence in video games is relegated to the M rated stuff, but sexism in video games is available to all ages.