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I don't care at all for her videos. I watch them but they just don't elicit any response from me.

Gamers take her criticisms way too sensitively. They're just games. Suck it up and do something productive.



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gingergaymer said:

Mr.Playstation said:

 Thank you for your opinion and while I do agree with you on certain expects especially on what you said on the first and final paragrapgh. I do not agree though that woman are underrepresented in gaming and neither does Anita as it seems, she is however trying to change as you said how woman are represented in gaming and if she kept how woman are represented sexually in games I would have agreed with her, (We have problems in games when it comes to this) but when she talked about how woman should not be dansal in distresses ( Which if I am not mistaken was her first video ) I had to disagree with her. One has to also see the real world for this, Woman are weaker than men in physical strenght and so therefore they require more protection and so if we take video games as physical extensions I don't see how this can change. 

 


Did you really just try and use "women are weaker than men" as an argument why women shouldn't be portrayed as helpless damsels so often in video games? 

First, you don't have to be physically strong to not be a damsel. There are plenty of video game protagonists, male and female, that are not that strong physically. This matters even less when you add fantasy elements to video games. There games with monsters and magic but the idea that a woman could compete with a man is the fantasy part? What? 

If you want to use real life to base how video games (often with fantasy elements) should be created, women in real life can be perfectly capable of defending themselves against stronger attackers. Weaker men also fight off stronger opponents as well. There is also the issue of assuming a woman will automatically be weaker than her attacker - there are a lot of women who are physically stronger than men. 

A lot of video games also use weapons like knives and guns. Why is a female character inherently less capable of using these than a male character? If male characters can rescue kidnapped female characters (a very common scenario) I don't see why a female character can't save another character. 

Gamers can accept male characters fighting off giant monsters or hordes of enemy soldiers but the idea that female characters can fight male characters isn't "realistic"? You do realize there are women who are professional martial artists/fighters, and many militaries around the world employ women as soldiers that are perfectly capable of carrying out combat duties, right? 

Your attitude exemplifies sexism in the Gaming Community and sexism in society as a whole. 

Thank you Sir for expressing your opinion. I am not in any way shape or form sexist. I believe in equel rights for both men and woman when it comes to the amount of power each gender has in a society. This can and will be surely achieved sometime soon, but completly equell rights cannot be reached due to both genders being inheridently different. Woman even if you do not want to agree with me are physically weaker on the whole when compared to men. There is no denying this. I have met woman who can obviously kick my butt if they wanted too, but even I who isn't really that strong am stronger than most females my age. Video games can be taken as an extension of the real world were altough we may have carachters such as tigers, penguins and who else knows and we may live in kingdomes impossible to imagine in real life, they still potray real life situations., So obviously caracthers which are female in the game will be potrayed as weaker in real life. Of course there are exceptions we have games such as Mass Effect and Cod:ghosts ehich show that woman can be as strong as their male counterparts but just like in the real world there are very few woman like these.



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Wyrdness said:

Some people suspect the attack on twitter was staged, someone had a look at the screen shot posted of the person who sent the tweet, warning NSFW launguage used in shown tweets.

 



Woah, interesting.



You are being fooled people, Anita is a con artist just do a little research shes a scammer a very good one and theres even some evidence that a guy is behind the whole scam.

Remember people if certain group doesn't like Anita is either cause her videos are dumb and moronic or cause she is a scammer, "they hate me cause I'm a woman" is what she wants you to believe



Hoodieninja said:

Anita lies quite a lot, there is some truth to her stuff but over-all it doesn't really matter. She's just trying to spark controversy when there really isn't even any.

Honestly the majority of her argument just ends up being similar to anything in the entertainment business. Honestly I can care less if Girls in Video Games have huge bewbs or not and are damsels. Some are exploitative but so what (that's the point of some games)? the film industry is the number one offenders of exploiting sex.

The majority of her youtube Videos don't have Ratings and Comments enabled, she probably knows how the majority of people feel about her. She's like a troll and people feed off of her.

And I think it's sad when Video Gamers and the Industry actually listen to her nonsense.

 

Honestly the best thing is to just Ignore her like the majority of people ignore Uwe Boll. Anita's Criticsm's on Books and Movies aren't as popular because well, People don't give 2 craps about it. They're smarter than that.

 

So you acknowledge that some games are exploitative but are mad when someone actually calls them out as such? I just don't get that mentality. Rather than take issue with the existence of the problem, you take issue with the person exposing the problem. That is just a backwards way of thinking. 

I also don't see where she "lies" in her videos. Even with the hitman thing, I don't see any examples of outright lies. I took particular issue with some of the things she said in her woman as decoration video part 1 but they weren't "lies". She doesn't just make statements, she presents video evidence of what she is talking about so I don't get where all this talk of "lies" is coming from.

I don't blame her for disabling comments and ratings on her videos. The trolls in gaming have proven that they can't handle mature discussion. Those comment sections would not feature anything even resembling reasoned debate.

The fact that people aren't ignoring Anita means that she has tapped into something. I'm glad the discussion is being had and I hope it continues.



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Rafux said:

You are being fooled people, Anita is a con artist just do a little research shes a scammer a very good one and theres even some evidence that a guy is behind the whole scam.

Remember people if certain group doesn't like Anita is either cause her videos are dumb and moronic or cause she is a scammer, "they hate me cause I'm a woman" is what she wants you to believe


What exactly is the "scam". She requested money from kickstarter and has produced results. What part of that is a scam?



wilco said:
Hoodieninja said:

Anita lies quite a lot, there is some truth to her stuff but over-all it doesn't really matter. She's just trying to spark controversy when there really isn't even any.

Honestly the majority of her argument just ends up being similar to anything in the entertainment business. Honestly I can care less if Girls in Video Games have huge bewbs or not and are damsels. Some are exploitative but so what (that's the point of some games)? the film industry is the number one offenders of exploiting sex.

The majority of her youtube Videos don't have Ratings and Comments enabled, she probably knows how the majority of people feel about her. She's like a troll and people feed off of her.

And I think it's sad when Video Gamers and the Industry actually listen to her nonsense.

 

Honestly the best thing is to just Ignore her like the majority of people ignore Uwe Boll. Anita's Criticsm's on Books and Movies aren't as popular because well, People don't give 2 craps about it. They're smarter than that.

 

1. So you acknowledge that some games are exploitative but are mad when someone actually calls them out as such? I just don't get that mentality. Rather than take issue with the existence of the problem, you take issue with the person exposing the problem. That is just a backwards way of thinking. 

2. I also don't see where she "lies" in her videos. Even with the hitman thing, I don't see any examples of outright lies. I took particular issue with some of the things she said in her woman as decoration video part 1 but they weren't "lies". She doesn't just make statements, she presents video evidence of what she is talking about so I don't get where all this talk of "lies" is coming from.

3. I don't blame her for disabling comments and ratings on her videos. The trolls in gaming have proven that they can't handle mature discussion. Those comment sections would not feature anything even resembling reasoned debate.

4. The fact that people aren't ignoring Anita means that she has tapped into something. I'm glad the discussion is being had and I hope it continues.

1. How is it a problem? Those movies and video games are SELF CONSCIOUS. It's like Blaming South Park for being rude, mean and racist when it's meant to be.

2. Cherry Picking and Misrepresentating Evidence is LYING. She did that with Hitman and Watchdogs. And many many other things.

3. I'll give you that. But I see it more as sombody who is afraid of the truth.

4. Not really, that's like calling the KKK tapping into something. Anita will become Irrelevant one day people will see the amount of Bull she is spewing. She claims that you're Encouraged for killing Strippers in hitman when you aren't.  Anita is like Uwe Boll, they both Drive from haters. It's just sad that Anita gets attention from the Video Gaming Industry when she doesn't deserve any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY&src_vid=WuRSaLZidWI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1390996559



Hoodieninja said:

1. How is it a problem? Those movies and video games are SELF CONSCIOUS. It's like Blaming South Park for being rude, mean and racist when it's meant to be.

2. Cherry Picking and Misrepresentating Evidence is LYING. She did that with Hitman and Watchdogs. And many many other things.

3. I'll give you that. But I see it more as sombody who is afraid of the truth.

4. Not really, that's like calling the KKK tapping into something. Anita will become Irrelevant one day people will see the amount of Bull she is spewing. She claims that you're Encouraged for killing Strippers in hitman when you aren't.  Anita is like Uwe Boll, they both Drive from haters. It's just sad that Anita gets attention from the Video Gaming Industry when she doesn't deserve any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY&src_vid=WuRSaLZidWI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1390996559


1. Lol... the whole self conscious excuse is really getting old. It's just a way for creators to deflect responsiblity. It's only a valid argument when the game in question is actually intelligent satire which 99% of games are not.

2. Seriously, give me a specific example here. What did she misrepresent in hitman and watchdogs and many other things?

3. What truth? Even if the majority did disagree with her, that wouldn't make them right and her wrong.

4. Your comparing her to the KKK now? Wow. Noone really pays attention to the KKK nowadays, but yeah they did tap into something back in their recruiting hey day. The thing they tapped into was the dominant groups desire to maintain that dominance through fear and intimidation. I'd say Anita is tapping into something similar but from the side of someone challenging that system rather than encouraging it. And what she said about hitman is not a lie because that is not really what she said. What she said was more about the implicit messaging than any overt messaging in the game. (*Btw... I didn't agree with that part but she wasn't lying).



wilco said:
Hoodieninja said:

1. How is it a problem? Those movies and video games are SELF CONSCIOUS. It's like Blaming South Park for being rude, mean and racist when it's meant to be.

2. Cherry Picking and Misrepresentating Evidence is LYING. She did that with Hitman and Watchdogs. And many many other things.

3. I'll give you that. But I see it more as sombody who is afraid of the truth.

4. Not really, that's like calling the KKK tapping into something. Anita will become Irrelevant one day people will see the amount of Bull she is spewing. She claims that you're Encouraged for killing Strippers in hitman when you aren't.  Anita is like Uwe Boll, they both Drive from haters. It's just sad that Anita gets attention from the Video Gaming Industry when she doesn't deserve any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_MVPq1SJY&src_vid=WuRSaLZidWI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1390996559


1. Lol... the whole self conscious excuse is really getting old. It's just a way for creators to deflect responsiblity. It's only a valid argument when the game in question is actually intelligent satire which 99% of games are not.

2. Seriously, give me a specific example here. What did she misrepresent in hitman and watchdogs and many other things?

3. What truth? Even if the majority did disagree with her, that wouldn't make them right and her wrong.

4. Your comparing her to the KKK now? Wow. Noone really pays attention to the KKK nowadays, but yeah they did tap into something back in their recruiting hey day. The thing they tapped into was the dominant groups desire to maintain that dominance through fear and intimidation. I'd say Anita is tapping into something similar but from the side of someone challenging that system rather than encouraging it. And what she said about hitman is not a lie because that is not really what she said. What she said was more about the implicit messaging than any overt messaging in the game. (*Btw... I didn't agree with that part but she wasn't lying).

1. When Sin City was popular it wasn't Satire it's purpose was to be Exploitive(and entertaining at the same time). You're right those games are being Exploitive So what?
Do you complain about Violence in video games or movies? They're still being Self Conscious it's not an excuse, it's true.
What Responsibility is this? These Movies and Video Games don't have any Responsibilities when Teaching you anything.

2. She Claims the Girls in Watchdogs are just being used as Backrounds when the hero is clearly trying to take down the underground industry. The girls are clearly more than just backrounds they are part of a story. One of the many misrepresentations Anita does.

3. That she misrepresents Evidence and that is a fact, that she overexaggerates everything she says, the fact that she is a Femi-Nazi and that she seeks attention through Trolls.

4. Fear? absolutely not, all she tapped into is how stupidly annoying she is and this is why people hate her. LOL Men afraid of Anita what a joke.



Hoodieninja said:

1. When Sin City was popular it wasn't Satire it's purpose was to Exploitive. You're right those games are being Exploitive So what?
Do you complain about Violence in video games or movies? They're still being Self Conscious it's not an excuse, it's true.
What Responsibility is this? These Movies and Video Games don't have any Responsibilities when Teaching you anything.

2. She Claims the Girls in Watchdogs are just being used as Backrounds when the hero is clearly trying to take down the underground industry. The girls are clearly more than just backrounds they are part of a story. One of the many misrepresentations Anita does.

3. That she misrepresents Evidence and that is a fact, that she overexaggerates everything she says, the fact that she is a Femi-Nazi and that she seeks attention through Trolls.

4. Fear? absolutely not, all she tapped into is how stupidly annoying she is and this is why people hate her. LOL Men afraid of Anita what a joke.


1. I am of the opinion that creators should not be limited. If they want to be sexist, racist, etc, I say go for it. But lets call a spade a spade. They shouldn't be immune to criticism. I know you don't want to believe it but the images and messages people see absolutely do have an affect. It may not affect you and me in an obvious way but to say that it has no affect is being naive. The responsiblity media has is to whether or not they want to support the status quo or challenge it. They can choose to go either way and you can enjoy it either way but don't kid yourself into thinking that just because it is entertainment it is meaningless. I wish that was the case but its not, we get bombarded by information every day and it can all start to add up.

2. Saying the npc strippers in watchdogs are "part of the story" because the hero is trying to take down the underground industry does not elevate them beyond background status. It is accurate to say that they are background decoration because most of them are. Sure you may be able to see their algorithmically defined profile like you can for every citizen in that game but they are still just props in a side story.

3. I'm not sure you understand the difference between facts and opinions.

4. Your seemingly irrational hatred of her is really fascinating. I really am curious to know where it comes from.