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Mr.Playstation said:
I think that this was uncalled for but it doesn't stop me from hating her type. I mean sure woman can be objectified in video games and I hate it, but to think that man are not objectified in video games too is stupid. I do not hate her for the person she is, ( that is why I think this is uncalled for ) I hate her for what she represents ( Feminists ) who try to bring " equell rights". Haven't we reached the closest gender equell reality we can right now? Not everything can be equell to both gender's since we are different. Woman have to take maternity leave so obviusly they can't have the same amount of raises as a man who does not take a year off for every baby his family have and there are various other examples which leads one to think that right now feminsm is their to only make woman as better.

P.S: I do not want to offend anyone with this post, this is just my view on feminism.


So, your more than welcome to your opinion but I have to disagree. There is a seperate issue for how men are represented in gaming but it is not "objectification". I think the representation of men in video games may also be an issue worthy of discussion but obviously it is not the focus of Sarkeesians videos, nor does it need to be. 

Also the videos are really just pointing out certain common tropes that are so common that they have likely been internalized by both the people that play video games and the ones that make them. I don't think there is anything wrong with atleast being cognizant of some of these things even if you don't plan to change them, that can only make you are more self aware and enlightened person.

Also, women are definitely underrepresented in gaming. This isn't a problem that is anyone's fault and some may not view it as a problem at all but if you take the definition of underrepresentation to mean there are fewer representations of that group in games than there are in the audience then women are underrepresented. They may also be misrepresented according to Sarkeesian and that is what she would like to see change. 

If the gaming audience were mature enough these kind of introspective discussions could only lead to good things. We finally have people taking the medium seriously enough that we can have these kinds of discussions and really dissect the medium in away that it hasn't been in the past and people don't even want this kind of thing to exist? Why is it's existence so threatening? What a shame.



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Wyrdness said:
The Fury said:
Wyrdness said:

Some people suspect the attack on twitter was staged, someone had a look at the screen shot posted of the person who sent the tweet, warning NSFW launguage used in shown tweets.

Their biggest arguement is that it's not logged in? You can visit any account by just visiting the URL. I'm seriously questioning the inteligence of a lot of people today.

The's a picture with the entire argument on it, the biggest argument is the speed of the tweets and how perfectly written out they are as well as it being a new account specificcaly to send them. Not being logged in was a minor argument but strange as it was Anita who posted the screencap which was the point, after Phil Fish people would scrutinize things especially when she tweeted she feels threatened before calling the authorities.

 

I don't have a hard time believing it is real because the amount of actual hate that she has gotten could not all possibly be staged. These trolls have already proven how petty they are. People seem more concerned proving that a problem doesn't exist than actually addressing the problem. I have seen with my own eyes that many gamers have a downright irrational hate for this woman. And yes, the timing fits since she just released a new video and is being endorsed by other well known celebrities. Maybe she saw an opportunity but that opportunity wouldn't exist if some gamers would just stop being so immature.



Wyrdness said:

The's a picture with the entire argument on it, the biggest argument is the speed of the tweets and how perfectly written out they are as well as it being a new account specificcaly to send them. Not being logged in was a minor argument but strange as it was Anita who posted the screencap which was the point, after Phil Fish people would scrutinize things especially when she tweeted she feels threatened before calling the authorities.

Okay, twitter is attached to phone and alerts you when you get a message, so her then going to a desktop and print screening is not surprising.

Also, I can type a sentence correctly structured in very short time.

The above sentence took me all of 10 seconds.

The one above less.



Hmm, pie.

JazzB1987 said:

What if she faked those troll accounts to have some PR? All is possible. I was going to click on the link to read the article but then decided to close the window before it was loaded to prevent her from getting more attention (click revenue for the verge)

TBH she only sees 1 side of the whole dilemma and focuses to much on that.
E.g 99% of criminals in games are male does she talk about how most women are good heated in games? NOPE why would she wouldn't fit her agenda. If she wants woman to be portrayed better in video games then she should start to change women in real life. There is a reason why there is strip clubs in games because they exist in reallife and women work there on their own free will. All people are the same if you are feminist or dont care if someone sees your boobies is all "acting". Some women and men act tough and cool to others but are quite fragile.  She takes all of this way to serious.


Focusing on one side is very much the correct way to support your thesis. That is one of the most important rules when writing academic papers. You can address counteragruments but your paper needs to remain focused on whatever your thesis is otherwise it will become muddled and your point will be lost. Make no mistake, Anita Sarkeesians videos aren't much more than an academic exercise. I enjoy them, but that really is all they are. She doesn't need to address every issue in gaming, just the ones that are related to her message. That is not a bad thing. I don't get why people keep bringing her laser focus up as a negative.

And yes, strip clubs exist in real life. But so do other women both good and bad. From viewing her videos I don't think the issue is even so much "negative" representations of women as it is "narrow" representations of women. Video games tend to show a wide variety of male characters but female representation tends to be more narrow. And yes, as with all things there are counterexamples but that doesn't mean it isn't still a pervasive issue.

So Sarkeesian takes this way too serious? I thought we wanted video games to be taken seriously?



A woman telling me to feel guilty for being a male gamer, yeah gtfo Anita



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wilco said:

Video games tend to show a wide variety of male characters


can't say i agree with that



Raziel123 said:
wilco said:

Video games tend to show a wide variety of male characters


can't say i agree with that


They may mostly be heterosexual and white but I think there is a wider variety of personality traits amongst male characters.  I believe it is the whole smurfette thing that you see in a lot of games that Sarkeesian used as an example, where the male characters are defined by their personalities whereas the female characters defining trait is the fact that she is female.

But yeah, if we are honest there aren't that many multi-layered and complex characters in gaming period, regardless of gender. 



wilco said:
Wyrdness said:
The Fury said:
Wyrdness said:

Some people suspect the attack on twitter was staged, someone had a look at the screen shot posted of the person who sent the tweet, warning NSFW launguage used in shown tweets.

Their biggest arguement is that it's not logged in? You can visit any account by just visiting the URL. I'm seriously questioning the inteligence of a lot of people today.

The's a picture with the entire argument on it, the biggest argument is the speed of the tweets and how perfectly written out they are as well as it being a new account specificcaly to send them. Not being logged in was a minor argument but strange as it was Anita who posted the screencap which was the point, after Phil Fish people would scrutinize things especially when she tweeted she feels threatened before calling the authorities.

 

I don't have a hard time believing it is real because the amount of actual hate that she has gotten could not all possibly be staged. These trolls have already proven how petty they are. People seem more concerned proving that a problem doesn't exist than actually addressing the problem. I have seen with my own eyes that many gamers have a downright irrational hate for this woman. And yes, the timing fits since she just released a new video and is being endorsed by other well known celebrities. Maybe she saw an opportunity but that opportunity wouldn't exist if some gamers would just stop being so immature.

she scams money from kickstarter, steals from letsplays, lies about her gaming past, lies about aspects in games.

and her argumentation is just stupid.     i dont think anybody has a problem with a good talk about women in gaming.

anitas videos are like those fps make children go kill comments, thats the problem.

i dont have a problem with the issue, i have a problem with the person and her videos. those are not good for women who realy look for a good discussion.



wilco said:
Mr.Playstation said:
I think that this was uncalled for but it doesn't stop me from hating her type. I mean sure woman can be objectified in video games and I hate it, but to think that man are not objectified in video games too is stupid. I do not hate her for the person she is, ( that is why I think this is uncalled for ) I hate her for what she represents ( Feminists ) who try to bring " equell rights". Haven't we reached the closest gender equell reality we can right now? Not everything can be equell to both gender's since we are different. Woman have to take maternity leave so obviusly they can't have the same amount of raises as a man who does not take a year off for every baby his family have and there are various other examples which leads one to think that right now feminsm is their to only make woman as better.

P.S: I do not want to offend anyone with this post, this is just my view on feminism.


So, your more than welcome to your opinion but I have to disagree. There is a seperate issue for how men are represented in gaming but it is not "objectification". I think the representation of men in video games may also be an issue worthy of discussion but obviously it is not the focus of Sarkeesians videos, nor does it need to be. 

Also the videos are really just pointing out certain common tropes that are so common that they have likely been internalized by both the people that play video games and the ones that make them. I don't think there is anything wrong with atleast being cognizant of some of these things even if you don't plan to change them, that can only make you are more self aware and enlightened person.

Also, women are definitely underrepresented in gaming. This isn't a problem that is anyone's fault and some may not view it as a problem at all but if you take the definition of underrepresentation to mean there are fewer representations of that group in games than there are in the audience then women are underrepresented. They may also be misrepresented according to Sarkeesian and that is what she would like to see change. 

If the gaming audience were mature enough these kind of introspective discussions could only lead to good things. We finally have people taking the medium seriously enough that we can have these kinds of discussions and really dissect the medium in away that it hasn't been in the past and people don't even want this kind of thing to exist? Why is it's existence so threatening? What a shame.

Thank you for your opinion and while I do agree with you on certain expects especially on what you said on the first and final paragrapgh. I do not agree though that woman are underrepresented in gaming and neither does Anita as it seems, she is however trying to change as you said how woman are represented in gaming and if she kept how woman are represented sexually in games I would have agreed with her, (We have problems in games when it comes to this) but when she talked about how woman should not be dansal in distresses ( Which if I am not mistaken was her first video ) I had to disagree with her. One has to also see the real world for this, Woman are weaker than men in physical strenght and so therefore they require more protection and so if we take video games as physical extensions I don't see how this can change. 



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Wether the threats are real or not, she's still making a fortune and becoming a massive "celebrity". She's set for life.