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elazz said:
NewGuy said:
yvanjean said:
You guys just make comments without even analyzing the results. The best game to come out this past months is last of us remastered and considering that many PS4 owners are convert from Wii and Xbox 360 this is a new game to them.

September will no be any better for Xbox one, destiny PS4 bundle will dominate all of September.

I'm very surprise with the ps4 numbers in Japan no spike regardless of last of us release.

PS4 is so popular world wide why isn't it picking up in Japan not even outselling WiiU??


Imagine if the PS4 had no COD, no Infamous, no TLOUR, no Watch Dogs, no Ass Creed. Instead it had One Piece, Dynasty Warrior, Dragon Quest, Tales of, and a PS3/PS4 Killzone Shadow Fall. How well do you think it would do in the west?

 

That's the situation it is currently facing in Japan. No games that cater to their audience. Yoshi says they are aware of it, but I doubt it they'll do much to remedy the situation.

At least Dragonball and soon also One Piece will be on PS4. And some weird game with nude chicks covered by fruit acting as action heroes will probably do great. And there is also a new Yakuza game and a lot of announcements will happen next week. So also Japan will be covered starting this holiday season and continuing in 2015. 

No exclusives though, that's the main problem.

CGI-Quality said:
NewGuy said:


Imagine if the PS4 had no COD, no Infamous, no TLOUR, no Watch Dogs, no Ass Creed. Instead it had One Piece, Dynasty Warrior, Dragon Quest, Tales of, and a PS3/PS4 Killzone Shadow Fall. How well do you think it would do in the west?

That's the situation it is currently facing in Japan. No games that cater to their audience. Yoshi says they are aware of it, but I doubt it they'll do much to remedy the situation.

So you don't expect them to release any titles of interest to Japanese gamers?

I do, but they need the huge franchises, i.e. MH and DQ on it. MH is a million seller on cosoles. MH5 there would serve the PS4 well. DQ is a monster regardless of platform. DQX port and DQVII HD to PS3/4/V, DQVIII Remake and DQXI to PS4. Sony could and should try to get those on their systems now. Capcom and SE are dying to get those franchises to become big in the west. Offer to publish those games in the west and make it front and center on the hot selling PS4. If there's a time to get those franchises back on Playstation, the time is now. Also need KHIII and FFXV to release there pronto.

I do not expect any of that though. GT6XL, Bloodborne, FFType0HD. Playable demo of RE:Remake and maybe a new trailer for FFXV and KHIII is what I expect.  Not a whole lot more than that. Also seems like Yoshida was putting some hope on VR, so maybe HSG7 and some weird VR games for their tastes.

 

What are you expecting?



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RealGamingExpert said:
eva01beserk said:

never denied it. It just that (if your familiar witht the term)the boobs will be huge for them, and wont really outsell the wii u for a one week bost that is very tiny.

Best typo ever!

This is the best typo ever.



NewGuy said:
yvanjean said:
You guys just make comments without even analyzing the results. The best game to come out this past months is last of us remastered and considering that many PS4 owners are convert from Wii and Xbox 360 this is a new game to them.

September will no be any better for Xbox one, destiny PS4 bundle will dominate all of September.

I'm very surprise with the ps4 numbers in Japan no spike regardless of last of us release.

PS4 is so popular world wide why isn't it picking up in Japan not even outselling WiiU??


Imagine if the PS4 had no COD, no Infamous, no TLOUR, no Watch Dogs, no Ass Creed. Instead it had One Piece, Dynasty Warrior, Dragon Quest, Tales of, and a PS3/PS4 Killzone Shadow Fall. How well do you think it would do in the west?

 

That's the situation it is currently facing in Japan. No games that cater to their audience. Yoshi says they are aware of it, but I doubt it they'll do much to remedy the situation.


Not anytime soon but eventually the games should come in 2015 at least x}:

 

Bloodborne (2015)

Deep Down (TBA)

Dragon Ball Xenoverse (2015)

Final Fantasy Type-0 (2015)

Final Fantasy XV (TBA)

Gran Turismo 7 (TBA)

Hyperdimension Neptunia V II (2015)

Kingdom Hearts III (TBA)

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (2015)

One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 (2015)

Resident Evil Remake (2015)

Silent Hills (TBA)

Tekken 7 (TBA)

The Evil Within (Q4 2014)

World Soccer: Winning Eleven 2015 (Q4 2014)

Yakuza Zero (TBA)

 

I'm hoping for some surprises at TGS: Persona 5 port, new Tales of game, next Level 5 or Falcom project, new Hot Shots Golf, etc. MH or DQ would do wonders but I doubt they will show up for PS4 in the nearest future.



NewGuy said:

I do, but they need the huge franchises, i.e. MH and DQ on it. MH is a million seller on cosoles. MH5 there would serve the PS4 well. DQ is a monster regardless of platform. DQX port and DQVII HD to PS3/4/V, DQVIII Remake and DQXI to PS4. Sony could and should try to get those on their systems now. Capcom and SE are dying to get those franchises to become big in the west. Offer to publish those games in the west and make it front and center on the hot selling PS4. If there's a time to get those franchises back on Playstation, the time is now. Also need KHIII and FFXV to release there pronto.

I do not expect any of that though. GT6XL, Bloodborne, FFType0HD. Playable demo of RE:Remake and maybe a new trailer for FFXV and KHIII is what I expect.  Not a whole lot more than that. Also seems like Yoshida was putting some hope on VR, so maybe HSG7 and some weird VR games for their tastes.

 

What are you expecting?

You mean like THIS huge franchise?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/25/sega-unveils-new-yakuza-title

There are others too...



eva01beserk said:
teigaga said:

1. As I said the Xbox won't need a significant bump to start outpacing the Wii U.

2.Yes, some will. They are called Xbox Fans and they exist, even if many are shifting to PS4.  For example Watchdogs provided a 27% boost to Xbox One sales (also available on 360 and Ps4), Imagine that but on an almost weekly basis because thats how often big releases are going to be occuring on Xbox starting september. Also AC is next gen exclusive and COD comes with a pretty impressive bundle.

3. lol, thats like saying everybody who was interested in Mario Kart probably bought a Wii U at launch. Silly.

4. Remember how many systems Pikmin 3 sold, or Wonderful 101, or Sonic Lost Worlds? Oh right, they didn't sell much at all. The only game on that list is a garunteed system seller is Smash Bros. I will bet sooo much money that Assassins Creed and COD pushes more systems then pretty much all of those exclusives bar Smash Bros.

P.S: Devils 3rd looks so bad, I can't believe people are even entertaining the idea tha the game will sell...

1. Thts you auming the wii u wont have any bump at all. What good did the wach dogs bump do to the x1? Still got beaten by the wii u.

2. I remember well the WD bump. It lasted for one week, then the numbers where sad again to below 40k. While the mario kart bump lasted for almost 3 months. The same I expect for every multyplat and exclusive for x1, a week or 2 bump, then back to horrible sales and it wont even be that big of a bump. While nintendo games, even if they dont push that much in the begining, they sell well for months and sometimes years.

3. The only diference is that xbox is halo, anybody who wants an xbox has to have halo in mind when they buy it, then to a lesser degre gears. There is nothing else that stands out in any xbox console. While nintendo have many heavy hitters that come from 30 years ago, like mario, zelda, starfox, metroid, f-zero, pikmin dokey kong and more. Halo was anounced before the console came out, so all the fans got it in anticipation, while nintendo has not release all the haeavy hitter or even anounced them so people can wait.

4. True, all those dint move a lot. Can be atributed to many factors like the ps4/x1 war, to many droughts that plagued the wii u, launch price was high, poor advertisement, but now all those things are gone and the sales are up. Another thing, each alone wont move a lot of consoles, but I bet combined they will move a lot this holiday. And if you like to put out numbers, how many consoles did titanfall moved? o right a 2 week boost then fell of the map. Unlike nintendo games wich push consoles for a long time.

Devils third is still an exclusive and theres nothing like it on the wii u, so it might do ok, it might even atract some people who love those types of games and are not completly sold on the wii u.


1. Well I honestly don't think the Wii U will have much of bump before smash bros, see my 4th point. X1 got beaten by the Wii U the week of Watchdogs release because of Mario Kart. The biggest selling (non bundled) franchise in Nintendo history! Its not even close to fair comparison lol. Microsoft however will have a dozen games with the potentiial to match WatchDogs boost, all squashed into the space of 2 months! (Madden, Destiny, Assassins Creed Unity, Sunset Overdrive, Farcry 4, Halo Masterchief Collection, Spark, Call of Duty, SKylanders, Dragon Age Inquisition and GTA5 Remastered)

2. By Nintendo games you mean Mario. What other Wii U game has had a long lasting effect on hardware or had legs? Only the 2 other mario games. You're right in saying watchdogs boost was only a week long, but its reasonable to assume that for established franchises we will see a slightly more significant boost and a longer longer lasting one. Also remember Watchdogs was marketed and bundled exclusively with PS4, (I think Destiny might be the same) but that won't be the case for most other titles (COD, Madden, AC). Not only that but with auch BIG releases so soon after each other, you can't honestly expect the the systems baseline won't cntinually gain momentum.

3. By your logic Halo and Gears should have a 80% plus attachment rates if people only but xbox for those two titles. Its actually Nintendo systems that appear to be bought for only a handful of a games (Mario, Smashbros, Zelda).

4. Again you keep saying Nintendo games but you mean Mario. How many weeks did Pikmin, Zelda WW HD, Zombie U, DK Tropical Freeze, Sonic, Wonder 101, etc last? they all fell off the map immediately. Only 2D MArio, Mario 3D world and Mario Kart 8 had legs. All of the other points you make are valid but they also apply to the Xbox One. And although the titles you mentioned for Wii U are exclusive we simply can't ignore the fact they are mostly niche. Sonic is not a big seller in 2014, Hyrule Warrios will flop (what was the last Dynasty game to sell well in the west?). Captain Toad looks cute but can we actually expect it to move systems? Isn't it just extensive DLC... Again the only Garunteed mover is Smash Bros, and to a much lesser extent Beyonetta 2.

As for Devils Third.... Go back and watch the trailer, then stop kidding yourself that it will have appeal beyond the tiniest niche lol. I'm sorry If I sound rude but if I could bet on one thing this year, it would be that Devils Third will be a collosal flop!



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if you would have told me a year ago xbox would be below wii U right now ...i would have laughed....This does not bode well for microsoft. There is no excitement for the system or the games. They needed to have a Halo at launch if they were gonna have any hope of a chance...I hate to tell you ~~~I told you so...kinda was hoping for a nice old fashioned console drag out war.



Somebody, somewhere lost a really big bet...



blessedswine said:
Azerth said:

Not surprising since it hasn't had a big game come out for it in awhile

But it'll start picking up next week due to madden and cont for the rest of the year

 

Also this thread wasn't really needed since u can discuss it in the weekly sales thread


wishful thinking me thinks....Madden isnt exactly a system mover.

It isn't even exclusive. As a matter of fact it's even out for last gen consoles... Why would this move XBone consoles?...



next week should be a much bigger boost for xone,madden is being bundled for free for goodness sakes... this gotta push it pass the U (if only for a few weeks)... madden does sell well,and the xone madden sku has been on amazons best sellers for a few days now,it'l get a small/decent boost,free bundle is hard to pass up for some



CGI-Quality said:
Mike_L said:
NewGuy said:

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Not anytime soon but eventually the games should come in 2015 at least x}:

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That about sums it up.


Yeah. Those franchises are some of the biggest in Japan (behind Pokemon and Mario of course) so they should improve PS4 sales when released.

Also.. Dare we hope for a huge surprise at TGS?