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QUAKECore89 said:
Everything you said, i agree.

Nintendo is no longer westernized support anymore, i mean look what happened to Nintendo nowadays. Remember Nintendo said they wanted to bring Mature Core back pre-Wii U come out? Look how many "Mature" western 3rd party supports lost. Meanwhile, Nintendo still have Japanese 3rd party supports.

How can you lose what does not exist?



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DélioPT said:
To be fair, on the matter of deals, i`m not sure there aren`t more western deals because Iwata doesn`t want to.
If i`m not mistaken, Nintendo never had that many deals with western developers, even during the N64/GC days.

Maybe it`s easier for Nintendo to secure deals in it`s homeland.


There's plenty of devs that would accept money, the Darksiders guys, Factor 5, Silicon Knights, etc. all expressed interest in working with Nintendo. 

They probably could have snagged Mr. Ancel (Rayman, Beyond Good & Evil) from Ubi Soft if they really wanted to. 



I'm finding it painfully difficult to disagree with most of what you said. It pains me because now it feels like there's so much lost potential. Imagine if they had LBP, Retro and Rare doing their own things along with the occasional bigger Nintendo IP projects, etc., oh man, I almost want to cry now lol



fireblazerx17 said:
I'm finding it painfully difficult to disagree with most of what you said. It pains me because now it feels like there's so much lost potential. Imagine if they had LBP, Retro and Rare doing their own things along with the occasional bigger Nintendo IP projects, etc., oh man, I almost want to cry now lol

Do it, and post pictures.



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Soundwave said:
DélioPT said:
To be fair, on the matter of deals, i`m not sure there aren`t more western deals because Iwata doesn`t want to.
If i`m not mistaken, Nintendo never had that many deals with western developers, even during the N64/GC days.

Maybe it`s easier for Nintendo to secure deals in it`s homeland.


There's plenty of devs that would accept money, the Darksiders guys, Factor 5, Silicon Knights, etc. all expressed interest in working with Nintendo. 

They probably could have snagged Mr. Ancel (Rayman, Beyond Good & Evil) from Ubi Soft if they really wanted to. 

I`m sure if Nintendo starts throwing money around, devs will come. But that`s not how you make a deal.
They have to be the right for the franchise you want to make. See TT Games for example.
And isn`t Factor 5 dead?

I think Ancel would be a great man for Nintendo. But where would you put them: EAD? Retro?
And who knows if there were contacts or not?



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DevilRising said:
I don't really see how they've "distanced themselves from the west", especially when they continue to push franchises that are bigger here than they are in Japan, such as Metroid, Zelda, Smash Bros., etc

Maybe because the market is also bigger?

If you don't see how they've distanced themselves from the west, look again at the OP and look also at the amount of titles developed by american and european developers for them in the past... then tell me what have they had to replace all of that.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Purple said:

To be fair, we don't know exactly what Iwata has planned for the next five years though.

I think he has enough sense to realise Nintendo has to get out of hardware as soon as possible and forging relations with new studios doesn't make so much sense when you're looking to move away from being a platform holder.

For some reason, that doesn't seem to be true when it comes to japanese developers. Look rather at the % of western development if you will. It has been decreasing sharply. With or without a "move away from hardware" strategy (which I doubt they have), they have been desinvesting from the West in comparison with Japan (the percentage doesn't lie).



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Smear-Gel said:
Zod95 said:

If they see something wrong and put it right they are not ignoring it, are they? I just think it's much better to be constructive and improve what is faulty but has potential than to waste it and be stuck on a negative and destructive position.

To me, people that criticize the details of a good message is most probably because they are not comfortable with that message and want to destroy it (or at least cloud it).

Regarding the importance of the details, that's just my opinion (see the underlined).


When a "good" message takes it's foundation in details that are literally completely wrong, then most of the time it's silly to ignore the details.

If I said the PS4 is selling well, then said it was because of hype and sony fanboys only, my main point is true, right? So no-one can have issue with my details and say so?

But that's fact. The PS4 is selling well.

This is a thread that states an opinion, and sets out to prove it with examples. That arent right. How can having issue with the very things used to PROVE the basis be "silly nitpicking" at all?

 

Zod95 said:

To me, people that criticize the details of a good message is most probably because they are not comfortable with that message and want to destroy it (or at least cloud it).

To return the favour, I'd say dismissing issues with an argument as "nitpicking" happens with people who dont want to come to terms with thier view just not actually being right. I'm not saying that's the case here, just responding specifically to that.

PS4 selling well is not a good message once everybody knows that. But if you'd tell me half of its sales were from female gamers that buy the console on Monday mornings, that would be very interesting on itself regardless of why or how or any other details you would add. I couldn't care less if they bought it because of Killzone or Watch Dogs. And, if I saw people focusing on that too much, I would think it was because they didn't want for us to realize that PS4 was a console for girls and what is happening on Monday mornings.

People can raise issues with whatever they want. But sometimes they are rather pulling the wool over our eyes than anything else.

I got that you find the details to be more important than the message (so you came up with an example where it was the case). But I find it the other way around (hence in my example the message is far more important) and, believe me, I really don't care about those details of who is responsible for the situation (Iwata, Miyamoto or any other guy I've never met and can't even pronounce the name). I only care about the situation itself: Nintendo is closing up on itself and its native market and both are declining. That is relevant for me as a gamer, not what is happening with the human resources of a company I neither own nor work at.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Viper1 said:
I'm sorry Soundwave but your entire concept is bogus.

Flip the script around. How many western developers are rushing in to work with Japanese publishers?

As development got harder and more expensive, working with language and time barriers, unstable foreign exchange rates, logistics nightmares, etc....it's simply more feasible and economically fruitful to work with devs/pubs that aren't 12,000 miles away.

Just another dig.

If I'm unemployed and I don't have companies rushing in to my feet that means I shouldn't get a job? Maybe not. Maybe I should think what is good for myself (and getting a job is a must) and go look for it, fight for it if necessary... rather than thinking if the world is not rushing at me maybe I shouldn't care about the world. I strongly believe Nintendo should care about american and european devs, should go look for good investment opportunities and fight for them if necessary. They've got plenty of resources to enter in any "war" they want. They just don't want to move a finger.

You talk as if Nintendo wasn't a worldwide company. There is no such thing as 12k miles away. You also ignore the evolution in communication. Telepresence and internet are surely much more improved and accessible than in the N64 era. And if Nintendo has problems with the English language (which is not a problem at all for any western company with a 10th or even a 100th of their revenue) they're the only ones to blame. You can come up with all the excuses in the world, but they are just that (excuses). When they admit they don't understand the western markets and at the same time they remove power and independence from the ones that do (Nintendo of America), it's all said.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Good article.



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