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Mystro-Sama said:
This isn't happening anytime soon if at all. There are waaaay too many network problems plaguing this industry, especially after MS tried to force this future upon the gamers prematurely.

And there are plenty people out there that still think physical copy superior since it gives them the opportunity to sell it to buy other games or lend it to friends.


Of course it isn't. But you have to develop the tech early if you want that to become a reality in the future. I'm all for physical media, but games as a service is something inevitable. We see streaming for movies and videos, downloads for music and so on. Everything on computing tries to go to the cloud.



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spemanig said:
toot1231 said:

I don't support digital games at all.

If physical games dissapear then I will not support any "system" or company that does it.

I know for a fact im not alone on this.


You will be when physical games media dies. No ones going to stop them selves from playing Uncharted 6 because "there's no physical copy" but hipsters.

Then call me a Hipster.



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JOKA_ said:
SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:
Haha does everyone in here still buy CDs and DVD/BluRays? An all digital future is coming and it will welcome you with open arms.

  >>>>>>>>>
Rough estimate, between 25 and 30 TB of data on that wall.

I'll crack out the old Intellivision my wife bought 2 years ago at a garage sale with a box of games for $10. Have some fun with the kids with Burger time, frogger, star command etc and some weird games using the speech modulator. Too bad my grand children won't have that fun anymore when consoles disappear.


I don't understand this....at all.  Its not inherently more fun to play a game from a disc than from a hard-disc drive.  This doesn't change the game, just how it gets to you.  In the 80/90/00's data on a cartridge or disc was the easiest way to get you a game, so thats how it was sold.  10 or 20 years from now, the easiest way to get you a game is going to be over a highspeed internet connection.

It is for me. I love browsing through my collection, discover dvds I forgot I had. Or look through the old PC boxes stored away somewhere, trying to find something I vaguely remember.
I love going to the store on the way home and bring back a new game, instead of looking at a download progress bar. I resell games I don't think I'll play again to get half price of the next purchase. With digital games, they sit there and mock me in my purchase list / library / take up hdd space.
Taking out the old gamecube and playing Ikaruga with the original controllers just feels better than emulation and upscaling. (Not that I mind remasters, windwaker HD is awesome)

As for HDDs, through my years 50% of my HDDs have failed after 5 years. None of my CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays have failed. I'm paranoid now, I have my important data (mainly photos and videos) on my pc, laptop, external HDD and SDHC cards. Consequently I don't have a lot of room for games, nor the bandwidth to (re)download them. When my PS3 failed, it took months to redownload just my indie games. Plus I couldn't get everything back. Some things were simply not available anymore or had disappeared from my purchase history.

For movies, I also don't trust the myriad of different services I'll end up with to get the digital versions of movies. And exactly why do those digital copies have an expiry date... When I walk in to my theater room and see my collection grow over time, yes that is more fun then seeing the amount of HDD space left decrease. Re-organize it now and then, put my favourites in a prominent spot. It's more than a bunch of data on shelves, it's a memory wall.



SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:
SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:
Haha does everyone in here still buy CDs and DVD/BluRays? An all digital future is coming and it will welcome you with open arms.

  >>>>>>>>>
Rough estimate, between 25 and 30 TB of data on that wall.

I'll crack out the old Intellivision my wife bought 2 years ago at a garage sale with a box of games for $10. Have some fun with the kids with Burger time, frogger, star command etc and some weird games using the speech modulator. Too bad my grand children won't have that fun anymore when consoles disappear.


I don't understand this....at all.  Its not inherently more fun to play a game from a disc than from a hard-disc drive.  This doesn't change the game, just how it gets to you.  In the 80/90/00's data on a cartridge or disc was the easiest way to get you a game, so thats how it was sold.  10 or 20 years from now, the easiest way to get you a game is going to be over a highspeed internet connection.

It is for me. I love browsing through my collection, discover dvds I forgot I had. Or look through the old PC boxes stored away somewhere, trying to find something I vaguely remember.
I love going to the store on the way home and bring back a new game, instead of looking at a download progress bar. I resell games I don't think I'll play again to get half price of the next purchase. With digital games, they sit there and mock me in my purchase list / library / take up hdd space.
Taking out the old gamecube and playing Ikaruga with the original controllers just feels better than emulation and upscaling. (Not that I mind remasters, windwaker HD is awesome)

As for HDDs, through my years 50% of my HDDs have failed after 5 years. None of my CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays have failed. I'm paranoid now, I have my important data (mainly photos and videos) on my pc, laptop, external HDD and SDHC cards. Consequently I don't have a lot of room for games, nor the bandwidth to (re)download them. When my PS3 failed, it took months to redownload just my indie games. Plus I couldn't get everything back. Some things were simply not available anymore or had disappeared from my purchase history.

For movies, I also don't trust the myriad of different services I'll end up with to get the digital versions of movies. And exactly why do those digital copies have an expiry date... When I walk in to my theater room and see my collection grow over time, yes that is more fun then seeing the amount of HDD space left decrease. Re-organize it now and then, put my favourites in a prominent spot. It's more than a bunch of data on shelves, it's a memory wall.


Go see a shrink you hoarder.



SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:
SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:
Haha does everyone in here still buy CDs and DVD/BluRays? An all digital future is coming and it will welcome you with open arms.

  >>>>>>>>>
Rough estimate, between 25 and 30 TB of data on that wall.

I'll crack out the old Intellivision my wife bought 2 years ago at a garage sale with a box of games for $10. Have some fun with the kids with Burger time, frogger, star command etc and some weird games using the speech modulator. Too bad my grand children won't have that fun anymore when consoles disappear.


I don't understand this....at all.  Its not inherently more fun to play a game from a disc than from a hard-disc drive.  This doesn't change the game, just how it gets to you.  In the 80/90/00's data on a cartridge or disc was the easiest way to get you a game, so thats how it was sold.  10 or 20 years from now, the easiest way to get you a game is going to be over a highspeed internet connection.

It is for me. I love browsing through my collection, discover dvds I forgot I had. Or look through the old PC boxes stored away somewhere, trying to find something I vaguely remember.
I love going to the store on the way home and bring back a new game, instead of looking at a download progress bar. I resell games I don't think I'll play again to get half price of the next purchase. With digital games, they sit there and mock me in my purchase list / library / take up hdd space.
Taking out the old gamecube and playing Ikaruga with the original controllers just feels better than emulation and upscaling. (Not that I mind remasters, windwaker HD is awesome)

As for HDDs, through my years 50% of my HDDs have failed after 5 years. None of my CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays have failed. I'm paranoid now, I have my important data (mainly photos and videos) on my pc, laptop, external HDD and SDHC cards. Consequently I don't have a lot of room for games, nor the bandwidth to (re)download them. When my PS3 failed, it took months to redownload just my indie games. Plus I couldn't get everything back. Some things were simply not available anymore or had disappeared from my purchase history.

For movies, I also don't trust the myriad of different services I'll end up with to get the digital versions of movies. And exactly why do those digital copies have an expiry date... When I walk in to my theater room and see my collection grow over time, yes that is more fun then seeing the amount of HDD space left decrease. Re-organize it now and then, put my favourites in a prominent spot. It's more than a bunch of data on shelves, it's a memory wall.


Just leave them. They'll never come off the digital bandwagon.



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Yeah, I'm with the people hating on this without question.

If this happens, I'm done. The end. Don't care what they bring.

Why? Because I'd like to own my games, and not enslave myself to the whims of a provider, who can pull the plug anytime they want. If this ever happens, you're effectively only renting your games. I'd like to be able to go back to games and replay them whenever I feel like it, because I paid for them fair and square.

It seems "new" gaming has a due date, luckily I'll be content with all the 'old' content.



youarebadatgames said:

Go see a shrink you hoarder.

:) Funny you should say that. I would sooner call those that compulsively buy everything in Steam sales and only ever play a fraction of it the real hoarders. I used to live next to a digital hoarder. Always downloading of Napster, busy burning dvds all the time. He never got to actually watching or playing any of the movies and games he downloaded. Just trying to archive the internet I guess...

At least I can say I have played and seen everything on that wall :) (Apart from Persona 3 FES, never got to it, my bad)



torok said:
Mystro-Sama said:
This isn't happening anytime soon if at all. There are waaaay too many network problems plaguing this industry, especially after MS tried to force this future upon the gamers prematurely.

And there are plenty people out there that still think physical copy superior since it gives them the opportunity to sell it to buy other games or lend it to friends.


Of course it isn't. But you have to develop the tech early if you want that to become a reality in the future. I'm all for physical media, but games as a service is something inevitable. We see streaming for movies and videos, downloads for music and so on. Everything on computing tries to go to the cloud.

Anything has to start somewhere in order to become mainstream in the future. When the modern computer started being researshed, we heared the following statements:

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943. And now there are computers everywhere, since big supermachines until the smallest smartphone.

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977. It was in the age where personal computers started being developed. Only expensive server like computers existed.

Clould gaming is currently facing such disbiliefs, but it is just a matter of time until the tech develops enough and people embrace it with smilling faces.





The end of gaming... Sadly, I wish Sega would slap the hell out of these companies after all the innovations.. Instead everyone is at the mercy of the future.. Who knows, maybe we'll enjoy classics more than ever..



 

SvennoJ said:
JOKA_ said:


I don't understand this....at all.  Its not inherently more fun to play a game from a disc than from a hard-disc drive.  This doesn't change the game, just how it gets to you.  In the 80/90/00's data on a cartridge or disc was the easiest way to get you a game, so thats how it was sold.  10 or 20 years from now, the easiest way to get you a game is going to be over a highspeed internet connection.

It is for me. I love browsing through my collection, discover dvds I forgot I had. Or look through the old PC boxes stored away somewhere, trying to find something I vaguely remember.
I love going to the store on the way home and bring back a new game, instead of looking at a download progress bar. I resell games I don't think I'll play again to get half price of the next purchase. With digital games, they sit there and mock me in my purchase list / library / take up hdd space.
Taking out the old gamecube and playing Ikaruga with the original controllers just feels better than emulation and upscaling. (Not that I mind remasters, windwaker HD is awesome)

As for HDDs, through my years 50% of my HDDs have failed after 5 years. None of my CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays have failed. I'm paranoid now, I have my important data (mainly photos and videos) on my pc, laptop, external HDD and SDHC cards. Consequently I don't have a lot of room for games, nor the bandwidth to (re)download them. When my PS3 failed, it took months to redownload just my indie games. Plus I couldn't get everything back. Some things were simply not available anymore or had disappeared from my purchase history.

For movies, I also don't trust the myriad of different services I'll end up with to get the digital versions of movies. And exactly why do those digital copies have an expiry date... When I walk in to my theater room and see my collection grow over time, yes that is more fun then seeing the amount of HDD space left decrease. Re-organize it now and then, put my favourites in a prominent spot. It's more than a bunch of data on shelves, it's a memory wall.

I get where you are coming from, I remember my mom driving me home from GameStop while I opened up a brand new game and flipped through a nice color manual.  That seems supurfluous to actually playing and enjoying the gameplay of the game though, which is what I was getting at.

Also, I don't know how long it takes (years according to wikipedia), but there is apparently data rot to keep in mind.  Those cartidges/discs may stop working some day no matter how well you take care of them.  

I like the idea of having an account with all my games associated with it.  It can't be stolen, it can't be damaged by water, it can't fall and crack, it can't get misplaced (Ive had these things happen).  If my computer HDD dies?  Boom replace it and all of my games are back.  My whole computer dies?  Boom buy a new one and all of my games are back.  I buy a traveling laptop to go with my desktop?  Boom all of my games are on my desktop at home and my laptop on the go.

The positives totally outweigh the negatives in my book, and this is the inevitable future.

To each their own I guess.



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