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Baalzamon said:
osed125 said:
Baalzamon said:
Didn't the US themselves train ISIS soldiers?

Haven't ever heard that, the U.S government however basically gave this guys a lot of weapons

http://www.alternet.org/world/how-isis-ended-stocked-american-weapons

http://guardianlv.com/2014/06/isis-trained-by-us-government/

I've seen numerous websites saying the same thing. I don't know if they are just extremely political sites, or if it is legitimate, but it is rather ironic if true. It seems like every one of our problems in the Middle East turns into yet another problem that we caused ourselves.

So true.

The situation in the arab world 15 years ago was far from perfect - but in comparison with today, it was heaven.

Then "the west" came, justifying its actions with humanitarian bullshit reasons, claiming to improve the situation of the people - but whatever they did, the situation for the people living there just got much, much worse. Whatever solution the west came up with that would improve the situation - effectively the solution would only cause at least two more and even bigger problems.

So the west's behaviour seems like an idiot fighting the Hydra, always only causing more and worse problems.

 

And to a lesser extent, it's been like this ever since the world realized the importance of oil and how much of it the arab world has. A handful of people became incredibly rich, for most others, it became a huge burden.

Allah must have really hated the muslims when he decided to bury the oil belonging to the western world under arab sand...



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poklane said:
I'd say: bomb them as flat as you can and treat everyone supporting them as terrorists.

Let's start in the Hague?



ArnoldRimmer said:
I'm mainly wondering where they're coming from, how they could rise SO quickly.

The Google trends charts demonstrates what I mean:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=isis
There was virtually no talk whatsoever about ISIS until June this year, then it went through the roof.
How can it happen that pretty much over night, an army with an armada of shiny new white Toyota Hilux trucks seems to appear out of nowhere and within a few weeks conquers half the arab world?
Who paid for all those Toyotas? Who paid for all weapons, where are they from? There must be some pretty rich sponsors behind them.


Well if you buy some ISIS shirts you can sponser them,  teens with ISIS shirts walking on the street is not abnormal in some EU countries especially cities...Wearing them is not illegal and some see it the same like wearing a USA shirt...Question is where the money goes from those shirts?



Let them gain more power and invade Saudi Arabia and the gulf eventually.
Let them invade all of Arabia so that they bring out all the hypocrites and shitheads from there and become an easier target for nuclear assault.



Leadified said:

Pretty awful people, committing acts of genocide against certain minorities, especially based on religion and further destabilizing Syria and Iraq. But are they barbaric? In what sense of the word, in terms of cruelty then absolutely.

However they've proven to have a well trained fighting force, I mean hell they control quite a lot of territory, and how to effectively use social media, so as crazy as they might seem it's best not to underestimate them. Especially as it seems they have support in the occupied areas.

They have support in the occupied areas only inasmuch as the local Sunni authorities (tribal chieftains and the like) believe that they are a better alternative than the very-sectarian Nuri al-Maliki and quasi-genocidal Bashar al-Assad. They sort of did the same thing with Al-Qaeda In Iraq during the big post-Saddam peacekeeping conflict. It wasn't like the locals were all terrorist-lovers, but the terrorists were the people who were going to defend their position against people they didn't like (namely the incoming democratic Shiite government in Iraq). Eventually the Sunni locals got fed up with AQI, and teamed up with American and Iraqi forces to beat them out (the Anbar Awakening that was key to bringing Iraq to the shaky peace it enjoyed until this year)

 

Likely that's what will happen again. ISIS will wear out its welcome in time.



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ktay95 said:
I bet they have killed less people than the US Forces.
Anyway as for being scared, nah. I have nothing to fear. When was the last time Australia was hit by a terrorist attack.
As for them being barbaric, depends on the meaning. While it can be used as savagely cruel which they are it can also be used as primitive and unsophisticated which I dont believe they are.
Oh and how do I think we should handle them, couldnt give a fuck what the US does just keep Australia out of the crap this time.

Depends what you mean by 'hit.' Lots of us died when the Malaysian Airlines jet was shot down in the Ukraine.

A lot more a decade ago in Bali. But I agree we've done a pretty good job of keeping home-grown terrorism down.

As to the last point. I really haven't fully formed an opinion. I don't think we should have gone to Iraq in the first place. But we did...there is an argument that its partly our mess to clean up. On the other hand, I am not convinced we can help any more now than we could a decade ago.



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If ISIS isn't dealt with quickly, they will force the rest of us into World War III. They're playing chicken with us, assuming that the rest of the world isn't actually willing to commit to war.

I think they're half right. The best solution I can think of is to fake a fissible material theft and blame ISIS, then to drop a low yield nuke on one of their facilities and claim it was a research facility. They made an experiment which went wrong. You could probably make that cover story very convincing by throwing in some broken centrifuge bits and partially enriched Uranium Hexafluride.

The more they claim innocence and ignorance the guiltier and more incompetent they will look. The rest of the Arab world will suddenly hate and distrust them.

Probability of that happening? ZERO.


Realistic solution? I'm still working on that.



Lafiel said:
chapset said:
Invade, destroy them and put a long term international force there because you know an other group will appear if the region is left alone, that region is so mess up we are beginning to see why dictators like saddam hussein and bachar el assad are necessary in those places.

I think the americans will be forced to give in and support the Kurds in their strive to create an official Kurdistan.

The american fear with that probably is, that the Shiite part of a shattered Iraq might unite with Iran in time (not imediatly, but in the following decades).


I would be all for that.  I used to work for a Kurdish family, they were great people and the boss was almost like a second Dad to me -- he always called me Pasha, Peshmerga, and John Walker (as a joke, though probably not a politically correct one).  I have a high opinion of the Kurds and I think Kurdistan would make a great country.