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Ucell on 23 August 2014
Michael-5 said:

Bold: You're right, my bad. I still have E3 in my head. I remember after E3 I counted all the retail games, but I'd have to look back at an old post to find it. Nintendo announced a lot of retail games which don't get much press. e.g. Prof Layton vs. Phoenix Wright was announced for localization at E3, it's not on that list. It releases in a week. Art Acadamy is a retail game which was announced too.

As for 13 PS4 games, I didn't include digital games.

Bloodborne
Deep Down
DriveClub
Everyone's Gone to Rapture
LBP3
MLB: The Show
Ratchet & Clank
Singstar
The Order: 1886
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 5
Until Dawn

now I only have 12....hm...I think I counted InFamous DLC by mistake earlier.

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The answer to this thread however has been "It depends on your interests." WiiU is not going to appeal much to people who don't like Platformers/JRPG's/Miscellaneous, PS4 won't appeal much to people who don't like Action/Adventure games, and XB1 won't appeal much to people who don't like Shooters.

Personally I think because Nintendo's exclusives are so different from the exclusives that XB1/PS4 offer, along with the 3rd party games, and because Nintendo will have the most exclusives, WiiU is the best bet. However not everyone like Zelda, Starfox or XenoBlade, maybe that PS4 owner just wants some Halo and maybe that 360 owner wants some Gran Turismo.

To each their own, but Nintendo does offer the most in terms of quality and quantity for exclusives.

Well said, I 100% agree.

Had I made the cut-off 95+/100, only Nintendo and Sony would be worth looking at. Nintendo and Sony both have 3 95+ exclusives (Super Mario's are each 97, Uncharted 2 is 96, and Zelda/LBP/TLoU are 95). Meanwhile the highest scored 360 game are Halo/Gears of War at 94.

Then again, if you specifically like Halo/Gears (like I do), they might be more important to you then TLoU or Mario, so at the end of the day it all really depends on what you want.

I would like you to list all those 30 Wii U exclusives.

This is what I know of currently:

SSB

Yarn Yoshi

Bayonetta 2

Hyrule Warriors

Kirby and the Rainbow Moon

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker

Mario Party 10

The Legend Of Zelda U



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sweetoothj on 23 August 2014

Microsoft exclusive defiantly compares to Nintendo Offerings for Wii U in terms of over all title that are coming out by the end of year. Dead Rising 3, Titan Fall, Forza 5, Forza Horizion2, Spark, Halo Master Chief Collections, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct Season 1 and Season 2 vs Mario Kart, Super Smash bros, Mario 3d, Wind waker hd, Pikman. So in terms of exclusives it comes down to taste, which seems like ps4 owners will like xbox offerings more because they seem to buy shooters more. Not only this, but you guys seem to forget that a lot of people will buy an xbox one to game with their friends not so much for the exclusive games.



DerNebel on 23 August 2014
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

I'm not gonna answer your whole post, but you have most definitely not said announced at E3, you said announced. Also at what E3 has Nintendo announced 30 retail Wii U games? And 16 from MS and Sony each? What are you talking about?

And how on earth do you get only 13 PS4 titles from that list?

No word about a No Man's Sky retail release.

Bold: You're right, my bad. I still have E3 in my head. I remember after E3 I counted all the retail games, but I'd have to look back at an old post to find it. Nintendo announced a lot of retail games which don't get much press. e.g. Prof Layton vs. Phoenix Wright was announced for localization at E3, it's not on that list. It releases in a week. Art Acadamy is a retail game which was announced too.

As for 13 PS4 games, I didn't include digital games.

Bloodborne
Deep Down
DriveClub
Everyone's Gone to Rapture
LBP3
MLB: The Show
Ratchet & Clank
Singstar
The Order: 1886
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 5
Until Dawn

now I only have 12....hm...I think I counted InFamous DLC by mistake earlier.

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The answer to this thread however has been "It depends on your interests." WiiU is not going to appeal much to people who don't like Platformers/JRPG's/Miscellaneous, PS4 won't appeal much to people who don't like Action/Adventure games, and XB1 won't appeal much to people who don't like Shooters.

Personally I think because Nintendo's exclusives are so different from the exclusives that XB1/PS4 offer, along with the 3rd party games, and because Nintendo will have the most exclusives, WiiU is the best bet. However not everyone like Zelda, Starfox or XenoBlade, maybe that PS4 owner just wants some Halo and maybe that 360 owner wants some Gran Turismo.

To each their own, but Nintendo does offer the most in terms of quality and quantity for exclusives.

Layton vs. Phoenix Wright is a 3DS game, how is that relevant in this case? And this article says that Art Academy is eshop only, but I personally don't mind counting digital only titles as they can as I've said before be as or more worthwile than retail games, which brings me to your list.

I don't know how you did it but you missed:

Tearaway Unfolded

Planetside 2 (again don't care if it's PS4/PC)

Gran Turismo 7

Tomorrow Children

Rime

Alienation

Wild

Shadow of the Beast

and not on the list but for now only confirmed for PS4 and later PC: No Mans Sky

So yeah ;)



Michael-5 on 24 August 2014
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 18 (+4 3DS)

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

I'm not gonna answer your whole post

And how on earth do you get only 13 PS4 titles from that list?

As for 13 PS4 games, I didn't include digital games.

Bloodborne
Deep Down
DriveClub
Everyone's Gone to Rapture
LBP3
MLB: The Show
Ratchet & Clank
Singstar
The Order: 1886
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 5
Until Dawn

now I only have 12....hm...I think I counted InFamous DLC by mistake earlier.

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The answer to this thread however has been "It depends on your interests." WiiU is not going to appeal much to people who don't like Platformers/JRPG's/Miscellaneous, PS4 won't appeal much to people who don't like Action/Adventure games, and XB1 won't appeal much to people who don't like Shooters.

Personally I think because Nintendo's exclusives are so different from the exclusives that XB1/PS4 offer, along with the 3rd party games, and because Nintendo will have the most exclusives, WiiU is the best bet. However not everyone like Zelda, Starfox or XenoBlade, maybe that PS4 owner just wants some Halo and maybe that 360 owner wants some Gran Turismo.

To each their own, but Nintendo does offer the most in terms of quality and quantity for exclusives.

I personally don't mind counting digital only titles as they can as I've said before be as or more worthwile than retail games, which brings me to your list.

I don't know how you did it but you missed:

Tearaway Unfolded

Planetside 2 (again don't care if it's PS4/PC)

Gran Turismo 7

Tomorrow Children

Rime

Alienation

Wild

Shadow of the Beast

and not on the list but for now only confirmed for PS4 and later PC: No Mans Sky

So yeah ;)

I didn't know Art Acadamy was eshop only, so -1 for WiiU, fine. Layton was just an example of a game many people would have missed at E3, since it's already out in EU, but newly announced for NA.

As for those games you mentioned for PS4, aren't they all Arcade/Digital/Not Retail? I'm not arguing if they are worthwhile or not, but you can't give a smaller indie game the same weight as a $70 Retail game. I'm not counting stuff like Pushmo World, Two Brothers, Mario vs. DK, or A Hat in Time (among others) for WiiU either.

Gran Turismo 7 hasn't officially been announced, can't count that (That would be like counting Metroid for WiiU). Tearaway Unfolded is a PSV remake, not an exclusive, and it might just end up as a PSN game.

So yea, PS4 is only really at 12 upcoming retail games, WiiU is leading at 18, and XB1 is last at 11.

Ucell said:

I would like you to list all those 30 Wii U exclusives.

Read some of the earlier posts, I've already named about 20...and wow, what a crap list you have...

Looking back, I think Nintendo showed about 30 exclusives at E3 for both WiiU/3DS. I just remembered that fact wrong..... Still, 18 games for WiiU (some quoted above), that's 1.5x what PS4/XB1 each have.



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Cheebee on 24 August 2014

Nintendo offering the most exclusives? Who'd have thunk it.



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DerNebel on 24 August 2014
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

As for 13 PS4 games, I didn't include digital games.

Bloodborne
Deep Down
DriveClub
Everyone's Gone to Rapture
LBP3
MLB: The Show
Ratchet & Clank
Singstar
The Order: 1886
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 5
Until Dawn

now I only have 12....hm...I think I counted InFamous DLC by mistake earlier.

----

The answer to this thread however has been "It depends on your interests." WiiU is not going to appeal much to people who don't like Platformers/JRPG's/Miscellaneous, PS4 won't appeal much to people who don't like Action/Adventure games, and XB1 won't appeal much to people who don't like Shooters.

Personally I think because Nintendo's exclusives are so different from the exclusives that XB1/PS4 offer, along with the 3rd party games, and because Nintendo will have the most exclusives, WiiU is the best bet. However not everyone like Zelda, Starfox or XenoBlade, maybe that PS4 owner just wants some Halo and maybe that 360 owner wants some Gran Turismo.

To each their own, but Nintendo does offer the most in terms of quality and quantity for exclusives.

I personally don't mind counting digital only titles as they can as I've said before be as or more worthwile than retail games, which brings me to your list.

I don't know how you did it but you missed:

Tearaway Unfolded

Planetside 2 (again don't care if it's PS4/PC)

Gran Turismo 7

Tomorrow Children

Rime

Alienation

Wild

Shadow of the Beast

and not on the list but for now only confirmed for PS4 and later PC: No Mans Sky

So yeah ;)

I didn't know Art Acadamy was eshop only, so -1 for WiiU, fine. Layton was just an example of a game many people would have missed at E3, since it's already out in EU, but newly announced for NA.

As for those games you mentioned for PS4, aren't they all Arcade/Digital/Not Retail? I'm not arguing if they are worthwhile or not, but you can't give a smaller indie game the same weight as a $70 Retail game. I'm not counting stuff like Pushmo World, Two Brothers, Mario vs. DK, or A Hat in Time (among others) for WiiU either.

Gran Turismo 7 hasn't officially been announced, can't count that (That would be like counting Metroid for WiiU). Tearaway Unfolded is a PSV remake, not an exclusive, and it might just end up as a PSN game.

So yea, PS4 is only really at 12 upcoming retail games, WiiU is leading at 18, and XB1 is last at 11.

Yeah I'm sorry but this is really just spinning things here, just because Nintendo makes a habit of releasing almost all their games at retail while Sony and MS don't necessarily do that, doesn't mean that the games not released at retail aren't worth making such lists. Seriously if this can make the list

Then this sure as hell can as well

Especially since in this case we don't even know yet, if this will actually only be a digital title, people are just assuming it.

We have official word from PD that they are working on Gran Turismo 7, just because a trailer hasn't been shown doesn't mean we can't count it, we haven't seen a trailer from Star Fox U either and the SMTxFE trailer was totally worthless and we haven't heard anything about that since and we still count those games.

And Tearaway Unfolded will have 50% new content according to the developer, that is probably more than every Sports game gets every year, if we don't count this then we might as well not count Smash Bros.



bigtakilla on 24 August 2014

Nintendo is the better primary console than PS4/XBone.



Nate4Drake on 24 August 2014
TheWPCTraveler said:
It simply is. You can't get Nintendo experiences on other platforms, after all.

It's just not a good primary console, that's all.

And you also can't play Halo, Forza, Gears, etc on a WiiU; so if you already have a PS4, you might consider XBone for its exclusives.  And you can't play all the great exclusive Playstation Games on a WiiU either, so if you already have a XBone, you might consider to buy a PS4; who says Nintendo exclusives are better then MS or Sony exclusives ?? Because here we are talking about choosing a second console for the exclusive games the second console can give you. Every console gives you exclusives games, it's just a metter of taste and opinons which ones you prefer.  So, there can't be a 'better second console', just the one YOU prefer.



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Nate4Drake on 24 August 2014
bigtakilla said:
Nintendo is the better primary console than PS4/XBone.

And there can't be a better primary console either... just the one you prefer.



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

bigtakilla on 24 August 2014
Nate4Drake said:
bigtakilla said:
Nintendo is the better primary console than PS4/XBone.

And there can't be a better primary console either... just the one you prefer.


Lol, exactly.