"If you want quality mature games on Wii U".

If you want these, then you'll have to support Watch Dogs, like it or not.

I honestly don't think they would. Nintendo's kiddie stigma has persisted for more than 20 years now, and one IP like Destiny isn't going to change that. It's going to take a lot of work to erase 20+ years of that kiddie stigma, and they need to work towards building consumer interest in such types of games on their systems.

Besides, do you think a game like Destiny would work on Nintendo's crap online infrastructure?

Well, after playing it, I wouldn't buy Watch Dogs now even if it were identical to the PS4 version. It's a shame, too... I had really high hopes for that game.

Meanwhile, I'm very much anticipating Bayonetta 2 (and Bayo 1, which I never finished on my friend's 360).

I think Sunset Overdrive would do very well on the Wii U. 2-3m lifetime. A game like that would actually get none Nintendo fans to buy the console, and since the Wii U just doesn't get games like that, it would have the added bonus of being overhyped, which it isn't on the XBO.

DKC had no chance on the Wii U. It would have done two times better on the 3DS. A 3D Donkey Kong platformer would have sold way better as well.

I have both pre-ordered and fully paid off. I'm actually looking forward to B2 way more though. I missed the first one and the second looks so over the top you'll loop back to the bottom. Sampled watch dogs on ps3 and really like it, but I am afraid that if there was a sequel, it won't be on wii-u. Will probably trade it in towards xeno-x, or maybe even cancel it and switch it to x or splatoon if they become pre-orderable in time.

Nintendo only has a kid stigma because they only make kid friendly games. And I'm not talking about just one IP to end things. I'm saying one IP to start them. Xenoblade is that one right now, but they need more like that. More "not kid" games. A lot more. And Nintendo's online is not crap. I've never once had an issue with it.

Playstation gets away with making Sly Cooper, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Knack, and Little Big Planet without being called kiddie because they release Uncharted, The Last of Us, Infamous, Gran Turismo, and God of War along side them. When Nintendo does that, most of those people will shut up. It's a stigma because it's true.

Look, Bayonetta looks awesome to me and I have little interest in WG, but I can't speak for everyone. I'm sure for a lot of people it's the other way around. And I don't see any of them buying a game they're not interested in and skipping one that seems appealing to them, bad port or not.

Makes me wonder what made you choose the Wii U over apparently the other systems.

I can agree with that. But yeah, like you said, Sony has a bunch of those IPs, and Nintendo simply doesn't. They have to make sure they bring more of those kinds of IPs to the table themselves. Nintendo needs to fill the gap for the so-called "mature gamer", and to build up a decent roster of those kinds of games is going to take time to develop. It really makes me hope that Nintendo considers funding more second-party developers like Platinum and Valhalla that are willing to make those kinds of games for Nintendo, because the first party devs certainly aren't interested.

Also, when I said Ninty's online was crap, I meant the systems they didn't put into place and expected developers to come up with on their own (invite systems, solid messaging systems, etc.). The actual quality of online play is good, it's just the other things that they don't have that I've got a problem with.

I think the point of this thread wasn't to tell people who want Watch Dogs on their Wii U to not buy it, but rather to tell Wii U owners that otherwise wouldn't buy Watch Dogs on the Wii U but are thinking of it anyway just to try to persuade Ubisoft to keep supporting with mature games that they shouldn't buy a game for that reason. Quite frankly, I doubt a thread like this would convince anyone who wanted Watch Dogs Wii U but wasn't interested in Bayonetta to change their mind (this thread gives no such reasons to do so), but also quite frankly, I don't think there are many people who want Watch Dogs Wii U. I used to want it for Wii U, and indeed there used to be quite a lot of Wii U owners on this site who were excited for it (it's a new IP and thus is more interesting than jumping into a series in the third installment like Mass Effect or Assassin's Creed). Now, however, my interest has dwindled, as hearing the reviews for it and hearing that there's nothing unique about the Wii U version's controls that takes advantage of the gamepad has made me think twice about it. I'll probably get it for another system when I can afford one, if I'm still interested at all by then. I don't think I'm alone in this, as talk from people excited about the Wii U version has waned considerably from what it was.