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Mr Khan said:
Whatever set the spark off, the Ferguson Police Department still has a LOT to answer for for their appalling treatment of protestors and the press

The entire department should be handed their walking papers from the top down, because they'll never have the community's trust ever again otherwise.


I agree with this post 110% the things that they have said and the way they have acted is RIDICULOUS and they need to be held accountable. 



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Brutal oppression is what happened.

The United States is in need of drastic revolt against the ruling class establishment and its militarism.



BeElite said:
cannonballZ said:
BeElite said:


Cops are not trained to shoot to wound.  And they are trained to waste their clip if threatened to enusre their safty.  

Thsi is not hollywood, where the nice cop shoots a dude in the arm and all is well.  


Well then, that sure needs to be changed. First time I've heard they're not trained to wound, but even if they aren't they are trained to shoot. The officer had a choice there, he did not have to kill Brown.

When you are trained to shoot, its with one out come in mind.  You survive.

What chocie ? figth hand to hand with a linebacker looking huge dude and his friend so 2vs1 ?

Right, and that does not mean killing the other person or emptying your clip if a lesser action will do it. Cops absolutely do not have shoot to kill orders where every time they fire their weapon the aim is to kill the target. That is simply not a credible policing policy and it is socially unacceptable. There is clearly an element of judgement as to the degree of force that a cop will use, including when firing their gun at someone. And it is accepted that in the heat of the moment even an intent to woud can end up killing someone. But on the face of it 6 shots into the guy seems excessive and there would have to be considerable extenuating circumstances to justify that level of force. Clearly no one on this thread as all the facts, and only a trial, or official enquiry will come close to the facts. But a properly trained cop should be able to stop 99% of threats from a single person with 3 shots hitting centre mass. 6 shots is suggestive of an emotional response, not a cop in control of himself.



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Why isn't it mandotory for cops in the US to go on patrol with a partner.. Its a rule here in my country.. Would prevent a lot of problems..



 

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cannonballZ said:


You are correct, they are trained to kill...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/police-deadly-force_n_5693020.html

 

I think it's really dumb that police are trained to kill a threat, un unarmed threat. I would agree with it if the guy in question was armed, but Brown wasn't armed and aren't officers trained for combat also? 

Didn't Brown have his hands in the air?

I don't know all the facts and I am going to pretend I do, but I disagree with taking a life. 


Yeah, and he got shot once in the front, then ran and was killed by being shot several times in the back while trying to run from this murderous cop according to his friend and eye witnesses.

Oh wait

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

no he didn't.



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NiKKoM said:
Why isn't it mandotory for cops in the US to go on patrol with a partner.. Its a rule here in my country.. Would prevent a lot of problems..


depends on the area. but many places do require two. But in more rural areas it probably ins't fiscally possible. The US is a huge area, and if you're not in a big city than things can be very spread out. But i believe he did have a partner in this case.



Shoot to wound? You think the guy who just got smashed in the face by the dead guy, and shot him 4 times in the arm as he is coming at him, should take precautions not to hurt the criminal? The same guy with obviously no respect for the store clerk or a patrol cop who pulled him over got killed because of his actions. Just like the kid in Sanford FL. Sometimes your actions turn around and bite you, and sometimes you get away with them...



bobfulci said:

It's this kind of attitude that makes my blood boil. I am assuming you have never been in a situation like the one the police officer was in have you? He had just been beaten in the face so  brutally that his orbital bone was fractured. He pointed his pistol at the young man and ordered him to freeze. Instead of freezing and putting his hands up like most sane people would do when a gun is pointed directly at them, this fine young gentleman decided to rush towards the officer and was SHOT as ANYONE would have been BLACK OR WHITE. I am sure after being assaulted and having a rather large angry person rushing toward you with intent to do great bodily harm as he had previously demonstrated he was capable of doing, the officer thought to himself "gee, I am going ot try to aim in a spot that would only wound him." Right? ...Right? Makes total sense...

Really, that claim the he had his orbital bone broken is being questioned and is looking to be false.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2731311/Police-officer-shot-Michael-Brown-did-NOT-suffer-broken-eye-socket-did-hospital-swollen-face-deadly-altercation.html

We don't know all the facts yet. There are non-lethal ways to handle rowdy people, tasers being a very effective one. 

 

And if you read through all the comments you would have noticed I mentioned Brown should have known better if he put his hands on him like that, if the officer indeed did have a broken orbital bone he was probably scared for his life and defended himself.  

But we don't know for sure what happened and I'm not going to get my self worked up over it. 



Shooting a suspect over a robbery is a massive use of excessive force.



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I have no idea what happened and I don't think I have any proper knowledge or in any proper position to make a statement one way or another, but it does bring up a lot of issues regarding:

-Institutional Racism
-Freedom to protest
-Freedom of Press (and how crappy/sensational they have handled the situation, sacrificing peace for hits)
-How far police can/cannot go with a suspect in what situation

I just hope this can be used to step back and reflect all sorts of problems, no matter what the outcome of the trial or whether the facts end up pointing to Darren's innocence or guilt.