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What are you some kind of scared punk? If somebody comes at me, i dont think to pull out a gun and start shooting. You must be a very weak and scared individual if you think the first thing you should do is start shooting. Talk about a scared pussy.



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MegaManX said:

Micheal Brown was walking down the middle of the street when the confrontation started, he had just robbed a store and was not being discreet.  It's probably, but we don't know fully since even the friend has been discredited, that MB may not have taken lightly to being confronted by a cop even if it's a simple command since you can't walk down a street like that.  You say the cop feared an ass whippin like it should just be part of the job, a cop has responsibilities, they don't want to deal with hostile people, and if he assaulted the cop or tried to grab his gun then he has commited multiple felonies and is now a very real threat especially with a guy his size.  Cops have to deal with a lot of shit people, you won't last long as a cop if you think you can take out every person with just your fists, I think you don't understand what cops have to deal with or how quickly you can find yourself in a life or death circumstance.  You may not like cops, but the friend even admitted they were walking down the middle of the street and he just robbed a store!  So clearly he was not being harassed because he was black, the guy clearly thought highly of himself and knew his size would intimidate people.  I think he got aggressive with the cop and the cop had to do it, we all know how to behave around cops, if you have to take some shit especially as in this case where it was warranted then so be it, anybody that assaults a cop is asking for it.  

In regards to the 6 shots, I guess you have never been in a life threatening circumstance, nor have I, but I can imagine if a big guy is coming at you and already tried to grab your gun, that you might fire off several shots.  You also don't realize that he wasn't a still target, most shots hit him in the arm, he's a big guy, the adreneline is flowing, you may not feel it right away, in a literal matter of seconds a lot happens and the reactions aren't instant.  Or he did and as the cop fired off, he reacted to it and fell into the other shots, you make it sound like he was 20 feet away and unmoving throughout the whole process.  If he was charging the cop, clearly he moving, perhaps bent over and who knows how he will react, you can aim for one part of the body and even if you have great accuracy, you can't take into account whether a wound will make them fall or lean into a shot making a nonlethal one lethal.

You mean he "supposedly" had just robbed a store even though the store owner never said that he did nor did the store owne call in a robbery. And take into account that the full video does not show him robbing the store it can't be confirmed whether he paid or not. And even if he did just take a few cigarillos that is what like $3 or $4? Not justifying him stealing but seeing as the cop knew NOTHING about it that hardly warrants the shooting nor does it have anything to do with it for that matter.  So maybe he had nothing to be discreet about.

Also I do not agree with assaulting an officer either as I feel that is wrong and you have to deal with your jail time after doing it. From the reports someone or another Brown was assaulting the officer from inside the police car through the window and was shot. He then ran so what should have happened is the officer should have IMMEDIATELY called for back up but he did not. The officer got OUT of the car and then said Brown rushed him after he had been running AWAY from him. So gun drawn after already being shot you expect us to beleive that He turned around and rushed you and you feared for you life so you shot another 6 or 7 times? Instead of getting back in your car and calling for back up or pulling off or even trying to taze the suspect? NONE of that came to mind just shoot to kill? Come on man none of that adds up or makes any sense.  Again not saying Brown was some innocent child but the cop did nothing correctly in this situation and it ended up in the taking of a life...



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Yawn said:

What are you some kind of scared punk? If somebody comes at me, i dont think to pull out a gun and start shooting. You must be a very weak and scared individual if you think the first thing you should do is start shooting. Talk about a scared pussy.


Clearly you are a Double Dragon and can probably walk into the riots down there and take them all down singlehandly with just your fists, but in the real world, you'd get your ass handed to you if you think you can take on every potential criminal regardless of their size with just your fists alone.  You won't make it 20 days much less 20 years.    

But honestly, try it someday, maybe post a video on youtube because I'd love to see you do some Bruce Lee shit to real people that are a real threat, maybe throw in a few linebackers and do your thing.  



Angelus said:
Well you don't see too many honour students with scholarships doing PCP and charging at cops two weeks before college starts


But IMO the more important question is why the fuck every time something happens to a black kid the whole fucking community of black people in that area feel they have the right to go start looting and causing mass chaos and shit. Seeing women filling their strollers with Hennessey from the liquor store with the baby on her arm and crap like that.......just pathetic.


Heck you actually see a LOT of them doing all of that. They just finished high school and are headed to college! They smoke some pot and even drink and party that is actually pretty normal.....



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SvennoJ said:
Human ego mixed with deadly weapons.

On one side a cop, stressful, dangerous, low paying job in a place where most people hate you.
On the other side, teenagers brought up to distrust and disrespect law enforcement.

Cop sees kids jaywalking, tells them off. Kids go, wtf you kidding me, I'll walk the f where I want to. Cop has had enough of the attitude, won't let it slip. Kids won't move, you think you're tough get the f out of my street. Struggle ensues, somehow gun gets involved, maybe the cop tries to grab it to get the kid to back off, maybe the kid grabs for it, it goes off. Adrenaline and rage take over.

Doesn't excuse the cop. He should have had better training to control his emotions and not follow through with a kill.


Low paying most cops make a lot more money then the averge citizen and lets not even talk about sheriffs and state troopers those guys make a insane amount of money.  On top of that its not that stressful either since you can always call for back up and if you really can't cut it in the streets you can always get a desk job eventually most of the time.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
MegaManX said:
 

Micheal Brown was walking down the middle of the street when the confrontation started, he had just robbed a store and was not being discreet.  It's probably, but we don't know fully since even the friend has been discredited, that MB may not have taken lightly to being confronted by a cop even if it's a simple command since you can't walk down a street like that.  You say the cop feared an ass whippin like it should just be part of the job, a cop has responsibilities, they don't want to deal with hostile people, and if he assaulted the cop or tried to grab his gun then he has commited multiple felonies and is now a very real threat especially with a guy his size.  Cops have to deal with a lot of shit people, you won't last long as a cop if you think you can take out every person with just your fists, I think you don't understand what cops have to deal with or how quickly you can find yourself in a life or death circumstance.  You may not like cops, but the friend even admitted they were walking down the middle of the street and he just robbed a store!  So clearly he was not being harassed because he was black, the guy clearly thought highly of himself and knew his size would intimidate people.  I think he got aggressive with the cop and the cop had to do it, we all know how to behave around cops, if you have to take some shit especially as in this case where it was warranted then so be it, anybody that assaults a cop is asking for it.  

In regards to the 6 shots, I guess you have never been in a life threatening circumstance, nor have I, but I can imagine if a big guy is coming at you and already tried to grab your gun, that you might fire off several shots.  You also don't realize that he wasn't a still target, most shots hit him in the arm, he's a big guy, the adreneline is flowing, you may not feel it right away, in a literal matter of seconds a lot happens and the reactions aren't instant.  Or he did and as the cop fired off, he reacted to it and fell into the other shots, you make it sound like he was 20 feet away and unmoving throughout the whole process.  If he was charging the cop, clearly he moving, perhaps bent over and who knows how he will react, you can aim for one part of the body and even if you have great accuracy, you can't take into account whether a wound will make them fall or lean into a shot making a nonlethal one lethal.

You mean he "supposedly" had just robbed a store even though the store owner never said that he did nor did the store owne call in a robbery. And take into account that the full video does not show him robbing the store it can't be confirmed whether he paid or not. And even if he did just take a few cigarillos that is what like $3 or $4? Not justifying him stealing but seeing as the cop knew NOTHING about it that hardly warrants the shooting nor does it have anything to do with it for that matter.  So maybe he had nothing to be discreet about.

Also I do not agree with assaulting an officer either as I feel that is wrong and you have to deal with your jail time after doing it. From the reports someone or another Brown was assaulting the officer from inside the police car through the window and was shot. He then ran so what should have happened is the officer should have IMMEDIATELY called for back up but he did not. The officer got OUT of the car and then said Brown rushed him after he had been running AWAY from him. So gun drawn after already being shot you expect us to beleive that He turned around and rushed you and you feared for you life so you shot another 6 or 7 times? Instead of getting back in your car and calling for back up or pulling off or even trying to taze the suspect? NONE of that came to mind just shoot to kill? Come on man none of that adds up or makes any sense.  Again not saying Brown was some innocent child but the cop did nothing correctly in this situation and it ended up in the taking of a life...

Firstly, no he did rob the store, it was a $50 box of cigars, but that value of the item does not matter.  The video confirms it was him, he clearly is not joking around with the owner by pushing him back and he is clearly intimidating him before walking out of the store.  I don't know why you are bothering to dispute a video of the incident, we know it happened so let's move on.  The cop not knowing about the incident doesn't matter because the friend admitted they were illegally walking down the street, so the cop had cause to address MB.  

And like you say, he assaulted the cop, probably grabbed the gun, injured the officers eye socket so we know he was assaulted by MB.  Even if he ran, the cop has to give chase, you do realize that right?  He has just committed several felonies at that point so the cop has even more cause to arrest MB, and as you say if MB confronted the officer than he was resisting arrest.  You are making the case for me here.  He assaulted the cop, ran, cop gave chase, we don't know exactly what happened but as you say if he rushed the cop, what do you think is going to happened, if MB grabs the gun what do you think will happen to the cop?  So like you say he fires to subdue him, the first 4 shots hit him in the right arm.  Then like I say, how does a big guy with adrenaline flowing react to 4 shots in a few seconds, does that instantly subdue him or does he not feel the bullets and keeps charging or does feel it and slumps over into another bullet that wasn't aimed for his head?

And really come on, you think he should have let the suspect go and got back in his car, and done what?  Wait for a cop, he pursued the suspect like every other cop every other time who is physically able to does, you say he should have tazed him, do you know if that is standard gear for cops in Ferguson, do you know how they work and how much time he had when they caught up to each other to use it if he had it and keep himself alive.  You would think the sight of the gun and the cop telling you to freeze and get down would be smart enough to listen, but I guess for you, a cop has to always use non lethal means even if the circumstances may not give the cop enough time to react?



TheBlackNaruto said:
Angelus said:
Well you don't see too many honour students with scholarships doing PCP and charging at cops two weeks before college starts


But IMO the more important question is why the fuck every time something happens to a black kid the whole fucking community of black people in that area feel they have the right to go start looting and causing mass chaos and shit. Seeing women filling their strollers with Hennessey from the liquor store with the baby on her arm and crap like that.......just pathetic.


Heck you actually see a LOT of them doing all of that. They just finished high school and are headed to college! They smoke some pot and even drink and party that is actually pretty normal.....


There's a difference between pot and drinking and PCP. A big one



generic-user-1 said:
nothing on the news in germany, they just repeat Fallujah footage the hole time. i never know that the irak had so many blackpeople...

Huh? It's all over german news since several days!

Didn't you even hear about the german journalists reporting from Ferguson who were being shot at, arrested and thrown to jail, for absolutely nothing? It was quite ironic, for they were both journalists from Springer, the largest publishing house in Europe, well-known for being extremely pro-USA. They still cannot believe what happened to them, saying that they had never been treated by police like this, even in the worst dictatorships in the world, and despite clearly identifying themselves as press.

That in mind, I find it hard to believe what some here seem to suggest: that the cop was acting perfectly fine and that it was all just the black kid's fault...



cannonballZ said:
WrathofTank said:

Did the officer know he was unarmed?  Wasn't the officer assaulted by Brown? I don't know the full story yet, however I do know when you feel like your life is at stake you don't take non lethal shots.


The officer obviously saw brown was unarmed. He may have feared an ass whippin', but I doubt he feared for his life. 

If the officer feared for his life then maybe he isn't suited for that type of work.

Why 6 shots? Why aim for the head?

If that's regular protocol for the officers then things need to be changed. 

What really pisses me off is all these idiots rioting like it's going to make a difference. Yeah, let's rob some stores and beat people up that had absolutely nothing to do with it. 

You can't speculate that someone is unarmed just by looking at them.  Usually criminals will conceal their weapons not openly brandish them.  Also if you fear someone will take your life or inflict serious bodily harm (as you said he may have feared an ass whippin) that is a legal reason to kill someone.  From what I've heard the officer was assaulted and Brown tried to take the his weapon, if this is the case the officer was most certainly justified in the shooting.  The number of shots doesn't really matter, the officer likely shot very rapidly until he saw that Brown was no longer a threat.

I could be wrong on the above because I haven't followed the story closely, I'm going to try to dig up all the known facts and statements of the people involved after work.

I agree with you that the riots are ridiculous.  People are jumping to conclusions that this was a racially charged shooting, people like Al Sharpton need to stop acting like everything is always about race.



Euphoria14 said:

Black people are killed everyday in places like Chicago. 

 

It it only makes headlines and is a big deal countrywide when a white man does the shooting. It's also the only time you see Jackson, Sharpton and/or Obama having something to say.

I don't like it.

 

 

 

As for the looting, it is likely because those people don't work, so they steal shit. Why else would they all be standing around at 11am on a work day?

 They are dumb. They bitch about no jobs, so they go and destroy places that provide jobs in the area.

Agree 100%.

As you no doubt know, you will be called all sorts of obscenities for stating the truth.