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theman88 said:

I feel like this is a really bad financial move. Why would you not release this game at the same on the platform that is currently doubling up XBone? Just give the pros and cons... because right now, it looks like they made a bad move.

When you are a Tomb Raider, you don't really have the integrity to turn down money bags from Microsoft



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Imaginedvl said:

... Dude seriously, stop copy/pasting all those charts. It has NOTHING to do with my main points (decision being stupid and franchise being hurt in the long term)...

I never said that timed exclusivity is not hurting the sales on other platform...
So, for the records, I agree with you on that, timed exclusivity hurts sales, that's a given, but not to the extends you are implying...

Byt my points are:

- Where in those charts can you see the amount that Microsoft is paying SE to cover the lost so you can "pretend" that it is a stupid decision?
- Where in those charts can you see that Tomb Raider will be a dead franchise after that? Even if this iterration sell less on other platforms I'm failing to see in your charts why this would "kill" or even hurt the franchise in any way for future iterrations... And please, do not bring boycotts and blah blah blah, it is not even funny.


moving goal posts are we now? these charts have everything to do with my point. its a stupid decision because it will hurt the long term future of the franchise. it doesnt matter how much they MS are paying them, long term gain is much better than short term. 

you keep coming back to the point that "you dont know the details of the deal" why? because you argument has no legs to stand on, in fact you havent proposed any argument or counter points, you keep dismissing the charts i provided, showing many examples that shows the negative effect of timed exclusivity. yet you move the goal post and try avoid them because they support my claim. while you got absolutely nothing to back you up. its pretty simple, hurting your biggest franchise in the long term for a short term gain, is stupid, and let me perfectly clear, we dont need to know the amount MS payed SE, SE are hurting their biggest franchise in the long run. the only reason you try argue with me with me is out of your own bias, you have not provided any meaningful points here what so ever. the only one pretending here, is you. 



bananaking21 said:
Imaginedvl said:

... Dude seriously, stop copy/pasting all those charts. It has NOTHING to do with my main points (decision being stupid and franchise being hurt in the long term)...

I never said that timed exclusivity is not hurting the sales on other platform...
So, for the records, I agree with you on that, timed exclusivity hurts sales, that's a given, but not to the extends you are implying...

Byt my points are:

- Where in those charts can you see the amount that Microsoft is paying SE to cover the lost so you can "pretend" that it is a stupid decision?
- Where in those charts can you see that Tomb Raider will be a dead franchise after that? Even if this iterration sell less on other platforms I'm failing to see in your charts why this would "kill" or even hurt the franchise in any way for future iterrations... And please, do not bring boycotts and blah blah blah, it is not even funny.


moving goal posts are we now? these charts have everything to do with my point. its a stupid decision because it will hurt the long term future of the franchise. it doesnt matter how much they MS are paying them, long term gain is much better than short term. 

you keep coming back to the point that "you dont know the details of the deal" why? because you argument has no legs to stand on, in fact you havent proposed any argument or counter points, you keep dismissing the charts i provided, showing many examples that shows the negative effect of timed exclusivity. yet you move the goal post and try avoid them because they support my claim. while you got absolutely nothing to back you up. its pretty simple, hurting your biggest franchise in the long term for a short term gain, is stupid, and let me perfectly clear, we dont need to know the amount MS payed SE, SE are hurting their biggest franchise in the long run. the only reason you try argue with me with me is out of your own bias, you have not provided any meaningful points here what so ever. the only one pretending here, is you. 

It is not because you are copy/pasting charts you are providing any meaningful point lol. Nothing in your chart shows why the franchise will be hurt in the long run. Other than speculation that for whatever magical reason people will not buy the next iterration as much as they would do if the previous one was not a "timed" exclusive. 

Yes, I have no idea what the deal is and yes it may be the stupiest decision every made by SE. But my point is that you have no idea either :)



Imaginedvl said:

It is not because you are copy/pasting charts you are providing any meaningful point lol. Nothing in your chart shows why the franchise will be hurt in the long run. Other than speculation that for whatever magical reason people will not buy the next iterration as much as they would do if the previous one was not a "timed" exclusive. 

Yes, I have no idea what the deal is and yes it may be the stupiest decision every made by SE. But my point is that you have no idea either :)


those charts are not meaningless. they are results. its as simple as that. if you think me provind data that give perfect examples to prove the harm of timed exclusivity causes to a franchise means nothing, then well, we are done here. if you chose to ignore evidence because you dont like it, go ahead and do so. 



There are mitigating circumstances to almost every one of those examples used in terms of timed exclusive games hurting the sales.

1. Titanfall - data on this is nowhere near reliable due to lack of digital sales. PC will be a lot higher than it is, Xbone adds a ton, too. It's also online only, so comparing it to the typical shooters is a waste of time.

2. Mass Effect 2 sold less on PS3 because it was a sequel to a game PS3 owners could not play at the time. Tomb Raider fans can play the reboot on their PS3 or PS4 already. Personally I think it makes sense for the game to sell less considering.

3. Bioshock launched in August on 360 IIRC and had virtually no competition whether it was exclusive game or 3rd party until Halo 3 a month later. It racked up more than 1/3 of its sales in that time. Bioshock on PS3 launched a week before games like LBP, Resistance 2, Fallout 3, and Motorstorm launched.

4. Skyrim maybe sold less on PS3 because of the overblown hardware issues concerning the game. It was a huge deal when the game was releasing, news stories about how buggy the game was and all the game killing glitches. Then when DLC came around there was no word on when or if they'd be able to get it on PS3. There was talk that DLC would actually never be able to make it onto PS3. Yeah that killed sales more than a year long delay on a game that was out years before that. If the game is big enough, previous exclusive factors don't mean anything. Look at the CoD game mentioned. CoD2 never even saw a release at all on PS3.

And the biggest thing here is in all of the cases where money changed hands, we have no idea what amount of sales were made up via cold hard cash. Does 2k care if Bioshock sold a million less or whatever, if the money MS gave them made up for it? No.

Somehow I think if these big publishers that have been smart enough to survive in a very risky business thought these deals were killing not just their timed exclusive games but the entire franchises, they wouldn't do them. Other times you have to make deals like this or the game wouldn't be made, at least not in the form the developer intends. Without knowing the full details of the monetary side it's nothing but guessing to say either way if its good or bad.



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If you have the money, then why not?



bananaking21 said:
Imaginedvl said:

It is not because you are copy/pasting charts you are providing any meaningful point lol. Nothing in your chart shows why the franchise will be hurt in the long run. Other than speculation that for whatever magical reason people will not buy the next iterration as much as they would do if the previous one was not a "timed" exclusive. 

Yes, I have no idea what the deal is and yes it may be the stupiest decision every made by SE. But my point is that you have no idea either :)


those charts are not meaningless. they are results. its as simple as that. if you think me provind data that give perfect examples to prove the harm of timed exclusivity causes to a franchise means nothing, then well, we are done here. if you chose to ignore evidence because you dont like it, go ahead and do so. 

Ok. I choose to ignore what you are calling "evidences" then :)



jlmurph2 said:
We need a picture thing for every time someone makes a Tomb Raider thread.





SONY DID THE SAME THING IN 1997!!!
http://www.tombnews.com/news/1997/09/1801/

Sony Computer Entertainment America Signs Exclusive Deal with Eidos for Tomb Raider Franchise; Lara Croft Videogames to Be Exclusive to the PlayStation for Game Consoles

Why do people get so mad when MS does it? Sony used to do it ALL the time. And the only reason they are not doing it as much anymore is simply because they cannot afford it!



Money in advance.

That is all.