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DonFerrari said:
DerNebel said:

Well then lets hope Sony delivers, I just skipped through the thread a little and Sony is apparently vgchartz pro customer, so I'd assume that it's in Sonys interest to provide vgchartz with the numbers.

They probably will work out, just not sure if in Sony interest because if they have the right number, giving it to VG would just allow they to inform to the other companies.

Well, we'll see what happens, I just hope they can work something out cause it heavily lessens my interest in the charts knowing that there is such a big discrepancy between vgchartz and what Sony reported, which I believe to be, even if of course an estimate as well, to be a lot closer to reality.

Sony would not go on stage to say so clearly that they sold over 10 million units, if they weren't extremely sure that that was the case.



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DonFerrari said:
BeElite said:

Its clear ioi kinda screwed up with his words setting of this shit storm. "if sony is to be believed" was probably the worst pr wording he could have used.

But the dude him self said hes of here and there does not know why hes wrong, he pretty much admit to being wrong with out actually sating it. From his side i get why and it is what it is. Why some still insist arguing against the one identity out there that has the most info possible about this is beyond me other then fanboyism i cant explain it.

Even the guy behind the numbers is not arguing that his numbers are right and sony wrong, why is this lost on many of you here ?????

The numbers are 10m as of august whatever, get over it, it will get adjusted sooner or later. So arguing against is totally fucking pointless.

ioi will adjust once he know where the hell those number go... lol get it.

so wtf at some of you.

Regarding Sony to be believed... he them gone and clarified that he don't trust Sony or any other corporate if he can't back that up with third party data... Strange is that he put an extra Million in USA for X360 making it 1M overtracked, and MS just gave shipped numbers not sold through


Well he is selling people something right.  You got to look at ioi as some one that finencially benefits from the numebrs,not some oen doing this for fun shits and giggles.  

can't make em understand is their salrey depends on not understanding.  



DonFerrari said:
Nicklesbe said:
Playstation_prophet said:
MS just sold 5 million in China. VGchartz will have Xbox One at 10 million before Xbox One, lol.


They didn't sell it to china. China gave permission for 5 million to be purchased in china. They have not been baught yet.

But there is a better chance of X1 being corrected to 10M on this new than PS4, that was a joke on the other user (i hope).


Thank you for clarifying the obvious



BeElite said:
DonFerrari said:
BeElite said:

Its clear ioi kinda screwed up with his words setting of this shit storm. "if sony is to be believed" was probably the worst pr wording he could have used.

But the dude him self said hes of here and there does not know why hes wrong, he pretty much admit to being wrong with out actually sating it. From his side i get why and it is what it is. Why some still insist arguing against the one identity out there that has the most info possible about this is beyond me other then fanboyism i cant explain it.

Even the guy behind the numbers is not arguing that his numbers are right and sony wrong, why is this lost on many of you here ?????

The numbers are 10m as of august whatever, get over it, it will get adjusted sooner or later. So arguing against is totally fucking pointless.

ioi will adjust once he know where the hell those number go... lol get it.

so wtf at some of you.

Regarding Sony to be believed... he them gone and clarified that he don't trust Sony or any other corporate if he can't back that up with third party data... Strange is that he put an extra Million in USA for X360 making it 1M overtracked, and MS just gave shipped numbers not sold through


Well he is selling people something right.  You got to look at ioi as some one that finencially benefits from the numebrs,not some oen doing this for fun shits and giggles.  

can't make em understand is their salrey depends on not understanding.  


I know it is in the interrest of IOI to have the best data and accuracy.. I just said I don't the benefit for Sony in ioi having a more accurate number if Sony itself is the source.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Conegamer said:

You know, I have to say that I'm a little embarrassed by some users in this thread. VGC has never claimed to be 100% accurate, ioi has stated on multiple occasions that his methods are based on extrapolation and identifying trends, and now he comes into this thread to try and reason and be transparent (something he didn't need to do, but he's making us aware that he knows the problem and is working towards fixing it), with reasoning which makes sense, and all you guys can do are attack him for that? That's a little shameful. If you can't appreciate the way the site works or the site owner, in my opinion perhaps you need to find a new site to visit.


This is the way VGC has always done it. We know it isn't 100% accurate, but it gives us a vague idea. Also, for the regions which people actually seem to care about (Japan, US and Europe), we know that two of those three are almost perfect, so where's the issue here? I just appreciate getting the numbers, knowing they aren't completely accurate, rather than getting nothing at all. Maybe that's just me.

I know this reply is some what late. I think most peoples problem with this situation ,  the sensible ones any way is not VGc's accurcy or lack there for of , but more so the fact that they have before them official numbers from Sony and they should  change the main page to show that .

Now ioi says that leaves a problem for him by way of unaccounted for sales and changing the front page leaves his system into question going forward , my answer better to change the front page and then down the track work towards  refining the system in the area according to ioi most of these sales stem from.

the reason is simple the main page is what the world sees and you should just treat it as a adjustment like any other because people don't care where the differences are occuring .