You guys need to understand, I am NOT saying VgChartz is right. I am saying that VgChartz is not necessary wrong because one piece of information was released by a source.

It seems to be a pretty general consensus that Sony is 100% right with their sales figure, and I want to set people straight that the # Sony released is not necessary perfectly accurate.

I'm sure Samsung had perfectly accurate #'s too, yet they told us they sold twice as many as they actually did. So with your logic, how exactly is this possible?

You see, this whole controversy wouldn't be that big a deal if the moderators didn't constantly add more fuel to the fire and use arguments about as logic-proof as the Flat Earth Theory. I mean look at this ioi post right here:

"I never said it was a fool-proof method, it is the ONLY method"

Well, then your ONLY method is a quite inaccurate one, isn't it? Then why are you surprised that you're missing 600k units (a measly 6% of the total)? I use Burek's method too and it's quite logical. So unless you somehow estimated how may people do this (which is quite impossible), it is VERY likely that you will undertrack in many second-world and third-world countries. SO WHY THE SURPRISE?

 
"Nobody knows exactly how many units of a video game product have been sold in a given region. (...) You get data for a sample of known size, figure out how that sample relates to the entire populus and extrapolate it to get an estimate."

And that's COMPLETELY FINE. I assure you, nobody is pointing fingers because you're a few % off, the general trend is apparent and everyone understands that there is some margin of error in there. Extrapolating and estimating is one thing, but refusing to accept official numbers because it doesn't fit you estimation is quite another! I mean you have to see how ridiculous this approach is!

We like this website and most of us will not leave because of this, but you have to understand that you're shooting yourself in the foot by presenting inaccruate data even when there's an official source that can provide accurate ones. Sticking to official data and extrapolating from there is the correct statistical method, not sticking to your estimations in spite of it.

AND THEN THERE'S STARCRAFT, who has the AUDACITY to insult us with the typical "I want to see you do better" and "What do you expect for $0,00" and "We can do whatever we want with OUR website" arguments like we're f***ing kindergarteners or something. That doesn't even deserve a response.   

You act like this is a huge amount of data and it's not. VGC doesn't get their numbers directly from the retailers nor do the firms they hire. As I said they pay varias managers for some of the information they were sending in anyways. Sony does get the information directly from the retailers. You are obviously inexperienced in the field and have no idea what you are talking about so yes it is fair to assume you are just making things up. That much is obvious since you fail to grasp the basic concept of bookkeeping. Why is it so hard to understand the basic concept that at the end of every week a manager and staff will take stock of inventory, they will compile what needs to be restocked, what needs to be rotated out, and they will have compiled lists that go with each product of what sold and when. Then those lists along with the orders/cancellations for the next week are sent to the appropriate vendors/product manufactures. It's not complicated I literally do it every friday.

Quarterly reviews, fiscal years review are only for public/investor consumption. It is completely separate from the close relationship retailers have with vendors/manufacturers. I am sorry if you are offended by me calling bullshit on you but it absolutly is. It doesn't matter if its an Xb1 or a bottle of Sunny D those businesses, those producers depend on those numbers. You can bet your ass they will get them every week. It's insanity and just plain ignorance to how the retail industry works to think that the producers are just going to throw their products out there and make educated guesses on what sold based on estimates like VGC does. It's maddness, they have close relationships with their retail partners. It doesn't matter what region or country, if a retailer invests in their product they are going to try and have a close relationship with them and make sure they get the sales numbers weekly, and sometimes even biweekly that their business depends on. If a business doesn't do that then they are a bad business and irresponsible with their products and they will probably go out of business quickly.   

Well than lets just ignore all sales data than, because all companies could be wrong and they all lie, hell lets just have no sales tracking service at all. If All companies just lie about the numbers.

I never said that, but you DO need to know that there is always a risk of untruthful information that we hear from companies. Just because a company says something, don't immediately assume it must be 100% true.

1 Just like vg are, im guesstamating.  But its only logical Sony knows how much they ship to every marlet they ship to.  So if there 50 markets they ship to they have 50 times more info VG has. Whats so hard to understand for you? why so desperate to argue agianst the higher PS4 numbers.  Does PS4 success hurt you ?  Sony has access to info vg could only dream of.  What dont you understand, everyone on her eknows that inclusing vg and ioi.

You can go by the one with all the info in existance at their finger tips or the other side that guesses alot and uses 360/PS3 old numbers to do so.  That alone opens up a world of problmes.

2 We know their wrong casue ioi said they are lol, he him self said PS4 is undertracked in plenty Euro makret comapred to 3rd party numebrs.  AKA like Germany LOL.  Go read the thread maybe.  

3 Ill go with their numbers over VG who haev been wrong pretty much every month this year on some console.  They are still wrong in Germany and other markets but dont readjust casue it cancles out them being wrong in a different market.   Vg is willing leaving wrong numbers.  Im not going by their false info im go by what i see in official 3rd party numbers and sony ones.  Sonys numbers fit with all ther others.  Vgs does not, ioi him self said Vg euro numbers are undertracked.  So vg is wrong comapred to 3rd party trackers, but they cant adjust casue it screws up their already flawed system of guesstamating.   

Vg is wrong, ioi knows they are he just does not know where he said so him self.  Undertand lol ?

Your arguing is hilarious, read the dudes post before your next essey.

but but but but but but but samsung.

wtf do they have to do with anything, do they have chart ndp MC showing them sales in major markets ?

LOL

Except fot the company that is Vgchartz , right that company would never put out wrong information?  Right, you csnnot have it both ways you are putting into Question Sonys numbers, well and out right calling that they could be telling a fib. Well what about this very site? Would you call into Question its Ethic's?

Like you are of Sony's right now?

Why can't people understand this?