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Ganoncrotch on 17 August 2014
Dadrik said:
You are totally right. They were my favourite game company, but these past years... Oh the horror.

"Hey, I just shot myself in the foot ! Funny right ? Here, I'll do it again, watch !"

I would love to know how big a bag of cash it took for them to shoot the TR series between the eyes, could MS drop enough to turn it into an N-Gage game to revive that system maybe? Really help them to fully imagine their vision of TR2, that vision of TR2 on whatever gives them a big bag of cash, it is a lovely vision to be fair.



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AZWification on 17 August 2014
JOKA_ said:
The fact that Kingdom Hearts 3 still isn't out yet is so fuckin heartbreaking to me. I played 1 and 2 when I was in Middle School/High School. I have now graduated college and have a full time job, and KH3 is STILL not out.

People love to hate on Activision because of yearly releases, but at least they give the people what they fucking want, on time.

Look on the bright side! You might get to play KH3 before this decade ends!



                
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ktay95 on 17 August 2014
Dadrik said:


Well, he's kinda right about the franchises they let die...

But yeah, the rest of his points... meh.

Parasite Eve had 3rd Birthday in 2010 which didnt break 500k. The series before had stopped after its drop from 1 to 2 and the reboot failed.

Brave Fencer Musashi had 1 game on the PS1. Does that really count as an extremely loved franchise?? 

Vagrant Story again 1 game back on the PS1 and this one sold worse than BFM, couldnt even break 1m

FFT... ok maybe that deserves some love but in 07 they released 2 games in the series (New game on DS and a remake on PSP) and neither sold amazingly well. Combined they didnt even sell better than the GBA FFT.

Front Mission. I admit I know little about this franchise however sales of the whole series show it isnt terribley popular and Front Mission Evolved (what I will pressume is the reboot) didnt even crack 500k, not really enough to say they should continue with a sequel.

Dragon Quest... DQIX, DQX. Really what more do I need to say, they even hinted at seeing DQXI soon (TGS PLEEEAAASSSSSSE!!!!)

Valkyrie Profile sold 800k in 99. In 06 we had VP2 and a PSP game which sold 470k and 340k respectively. We then got a DS game in 08 which sold 410k. I think its fair to say that the franchise can be stopped there.

Star Ocean... who knows. This one has a weird release schedule.  Maybe we wil see a new SO for PS4/XBO, after all The Last Hope sold well.

Chrono series... Heres what made Chrono Trigger so great and popular.

Yuji Horii-Creator of Dragon Quest

Akihiko Matsui-Battle Designer behind FFIV, FFV and now FFXI and FFXIV:ARR

Yoshinori Kitase-Director of FFVI and now FFVII, FFVIII, FFX and now Producer of most FF games

Takashi Tokita-Director of Parasite Eve.

Hironobu Sakaguchi-Creator of Final Fantasy

Akira Toriyama-Creator of Dragon Ball and Character Designer for Dragon Quest

Nobuo Uematsu- Composer of most Final Fantasy games and much more. Dosent get much better than this guy.

You cant just put a team like that together right now.



DerNebel on 17 August 2014
ktay95 said:

1. They announced the FFXIII saga in 06 with FFXIII, FF Agito XIII (Now Type-0) and FFvXIII (Now FFXV). So of course when they announced XIII-3 we already knew about FFvXIII although we hadnt seen it in awhile and FFXIV is the MMO which dosent actually interfere with the main games all that much... and was technically already released.

2. Firstly they didnt announce FFvXIII too early, they just didnt expect to run into development issues with the hardware. Secondly they admitted to announcing KH3 early back in 2013 and apoligised saying not expect to see more of it for awhile.

3. Yes XIII-3 was a mistake but they wanted to wrap up the story (and have a game to fill the gap until XV). XIII-2 however is perfectly acceptable though. XIII is the 4th best selling game in the franchise with over 7m sales, why wouldnt you make a sequel. And you cant say it killed the FF franchise until we see how well XV sells. 

4. As for TR I believe about a million people have explained this already but while I too hate the decision myself here is why its not a terrible idea. TR is releasing alongside UC4 in holiday 2015, so it was going to be crushed on PS4 anyway. Now when it launches on PS4 it dosent have to compete with UC4 as much. It will also sell quite well on XBO as MS will push its advertising quite hard to try and compete with UC4 in the holidays. Not only will the TR fans buy it but so will any Xbox fanboys who buy games to support the company, and maybe those fanboys end up TR fans who will buy future sequels. The last plus side is the obvious one, $$$. Tomb Raider wouldnt have come cheap. Side note, if MS are doing the advertising for it in 2015 then SQEX can still advertise its PS4 and PC release so it wont just release and people wont notice it.

They announced Versus too early, if a development issue that can throw the game back by over 8 years can pop up after you've announced it then you certainly announced it way too early. I think I read back when in 2006 that the game was only 3% done, but that was years ago so don't quote me on that, we don't have to defend this, Versus XIII was handled absolutely moronic by Square Enix.



stlwtng4Dmdrxip on 17 August 2014

The reboot didn't sold 7m, it shipped 6m and with digital it has sold about 5m. SquarNix only cares about profits, and microsofth is giving them money for a game they would relase on the xbox anyway and by making it an exclusive it cuts production costs.

So for squarNix this is ideal in the short-term, in the medium/long-term they're shooting themselves in the foot. But that's how suits work - moar mony nau!!



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loy310 on 17 August 2014

I would be surprised if they make it through the gen.



Augen on 17 August 2014

I know Final Fantasy gets the most attention, but to me Dragon Quest has been handled poorly as well. They make an excellent VIII on PS2 and then follow it up with IX on the DS and an MMO in X. Been waiting a decade now for true glorious successor to VIII. Meanwhile Namco managed to turn Tales ino one of my favorite game series and gave me Ni No Kuni.



Smear-Gel on 17 August 2014
Raziel123 said:
SE will either close its doors or be bought before 2017-2018. They have no future and have been diving more than almost every other publisher.
That's what happens when you make decisions like spending the budget of all Uncharted games put together just marketing one game that doesn't even sell as much as Uncharted, try to take control of talented studios work and ruin their games (Thief), try to make AAAs out of C-tier (Murdered), prolong FF13 and turn FF15 into something worse than TLG, etc etc.

Of they do go this way, I hope Ninty gets Final Fantasy Tactics.



BlkPaladin on 17 August 2014
DerNebel said:
Yeah, they turned to shit, 95% of the things their japanese branch does is mediocre or bad, exception being the odd handheld game once in a while (TWEWY, Bravely Default, Dragon Quest IX) and their management is totally retarded.

It's a pity really, before the merger Squaresoft was absolutely glorious, one of the best developers of the SNES and PS1 era, now I just want them to finish FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3 and then they can go bankrupt for all I care, that or they make some serious, serious changes.

The reason why Squaresoft had to merge was the signs of retardation were showing even then.  They had trouble getting FFX out and even when it came out it was a buggy mess especially near the end. The games that were released during the development of FFX were not safe bets they were all games that were not RPG's, and at that point Squaresoft had an extensive history of games "failing" that were not in "their" genre of dominance. (i.e. Square was basically on one genre pony)

They blew almost their entire business on creating a studio and then making the world worse B movie with an AAA budget with great actors who just phoned in their parts.

If anything Squaresoft brought Enix down in this deal.



Smear-Gel on 17 August 2014
ktay95 said:
Intrinsic said:

Hahaha! Beautiful post. Like I couldn't have said it all better myself! That actually made me lol.

On the issue, yes... SE has to be one of the most stupid companies on the planet. So much so that one has to attribute every good thing they do to being a fluke. Just a few more points to tell you how stupid they really are since you don't follow them and I do.

 

  • They stalled development of FFv13 so they could make two more sequels to the most hated FF iteration ever.
  • The released the same FF game twice FF14 cause their first time round left them with a game that had too many issues.
  • They stalled development of a mainline sequel to one of their most losved franchises, Kingdom Hearts and made over 5-6 iterations of the game on a platform that had nothing to do with the platform that made the franchise a thing to begin with n addition to a couple of remasters. then as you said,
  • announced KH3 at the same time when announcing FF15 which is to be developed by the same team that is currently making FF15. So if FF15 comes out in 2016, which seems to be the case unless they surprise us all at TGS this year which could make it have a 2015 release date instead then that means that the earliest KH3 gets released is in 2017/2018!!!!!!
  • They let great extremly loved and well designed franchises die  (warning, get ready to be shocked!).
    • Parasite Eve
    • Brave fencer Musashi
    • Vagrant story
    • Final Fantasy Tactics
    • Front Mission
    • Dragon Quest
    • Valkyrie Profile
    • Star Ocean
    • Chrono Trigger
  • Any one of the above named franchises could have been rebooted and would have generated a lot of fanfare, especially Vagrant story(could have been better than the souls franchise), Parasite Eve, Dragon quest and star ocean(could have been their own answer to mass effect). But they somehow just pissed those all away.
  • Now from their recent aquisitions they have Hitman, tomb raider and duex ex... and somehow they have not announced or shown a new deux ex or hitman.
  • They went into bed with MS with the 360 in japan at the start of last gen, it failed. But at least one could understand why, the PS3 was a year late to market. But now they are doing it again, while completely ignoring the odds MS are facing right now.
so yeah, with SE... expect the stupid. The only good thing is that when they do get their ducks in a row, they make some really great stuff. Its the obligatory 10 other pieces of shit or bad decisions in between that is the problem.

 

And done, cross out all the lies for you in the dot points.

Yeah, im pretty excited for Tactics A3 and TWEWY2.

 

And they've releaed a tonne of FF mobile games have they not?