By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - Why some people in the US deny global warming?

bouzane on 17 August 2014

@thranx

Edit: Not too mention, how much can all this data be trusted. have we not had several times now readjusted the numbers because it was found that the scientist or people working at noaa were using projected data instead of actual? That is what happens when science goes from being science to being a cause, and than a tool used to bludgen businesses. they have too much at stake to be wrong now so they use data that works for them. its been turned into almost a religous like following, instead of one based on cold hard facts.

How about you post a link to some actual information instead of making vague assertions? Also, the last time I checked the people denying the perfectly valid theory backed up by evidence seem like the religious following. They make statements without evidence and support hypotheses that are not valid alternatives to our current understanding of climate change.



Around the Network
Dyarwolf on 17 August 2014
bouzane said:
thranx said:
bouzane said:
thranx said:
I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)


Sorry but global temperatures and solar cycles have been heading in the exact opposite direction for about 40 years now. Additionally, you can not blame  the Milankovitch cycles either because while there is a clear correlation between them and climate, they too have been going their seperate ways since the 60's. As far as I can tell the recent spike in greenhouse gases is the most probable cause for the extremely rapid and unusual disturbance in global climate and none of the alternative explanations make any sense. It merely seems to be the most logical conclusion as far as I can tell.

with temperatures cooling and rising, ice caps growing and shrinking, and green house gasses only going up, it doesnt seem very logical to me. Not to mention logical does not mean its correct. Especially if we are going  to try and make massive changes to our economy to try and fix it. Like i said, we should focus on real issues we can fix, like actual pollution that causes human health problems.


I'm sorry but have you done any research into this matter whatsoever? I say this because the bolded statement leads me to believe that you haven't. Just because more greenhouse gases are being added to the atmosphere doesn't mean that climate will stop running in cycles because solar cycles and Milankovitch cycles didn't suddenly stop effecting the planet. Additionally, greenhouse gases do indeed have other consequences for our world and our health. The biggest concern is that the excess carbon dioxide (along with sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) is being absorbed by the oceans which in turn raises their acidity. You do realize that aquatic organisms are extremely susceptible to changes in PH right? What about the prospect of our fish stocks collapsing, should that not be a concern for us all?

The change doesn't happen overnight. Most fish will adapt to the small change in pH.

Even so, global warming is not the same as the atmospheres CO2 makeup. You just said so yourself, "Just because greenhouse gases are being added to the atmosphere doesn't mean that climate will stop running in cycles.."



Porcupine_I on 17 August 2014

Do they really deny global worming, or only global warming in the US?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

PullusPardus on 17 August 2014
Porcupine_I said:
Do they really deny global worming, or only global warming in the US?


Deny it like it's a made up thing to overthrow the church / democracy / USA... Etc 

I don't know how it got to this point though it's just a scientific study.



thranx on 18 August 2014
bouzane said:
@thranx

Edit: Not too mention, how much can all this data be trusted. have we not had several times now readjusted the numbers because it was found that the scientist or people working at noaa were using projected data instead of actual? That is what happens when science goes from being science to being a cause, and than a tool used to bludgen businesses. they have too much at stake to be wrong now so they use data that works for them. its been turned into almost a religous like following, instead of one based on cold hard facts.

How about you post a link to some actual information instead of making vague assertions? Also, the last time I checked the people denying the perfectly valid theory backed up by evidence seem like the religious following. They make statements without evidence and support hypotheses that are not valid alternatives to our current understanding of climate change.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

 



Around the Network
thranx on 18 August 2014
bouzane said:
thranx said:
bouzane said:
thranx said:
I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)


Sorry but global temperatures and solar cycles have been heading in the exact opposite direction for about 40 years now. Additionally, you can not blame  the Milankovitch cycles either because while there is a clear correlation between them and climate, they too have been going their seperate ways since the 60's. As far as I can tell the recent spike in greenhouse gases is the most probable cause for the extremely rapid and unusual disturbance in global climate and none of the alternative explanations make any sense. It merely seems to be the most logical conclusion as far as I can tell.

with temperatures cooling and rising, ice caps growing and shrinking, and green house gasses only going up, it doesnt seem very logical to me. Not to mention logical does not mean its correct. Especially if we are going  to try and make massive changes to our economy to try and fix it. Like i said, we should focus on real issues we can fix, like actual pollution that causes human health problems.


I'm sorry but have you done any research into this matter whatsoever? I say this because the bolded statement leads me to believe that you haven't. Just because more greenhouse gases are being added to the atmosphere doesn't mean that climate will stop running in cycles because solar cycles and Milankovitch cycles didn't suddenly stop effecting the planet. Additionally, greenhouse gases do indeed have other consequences for our world and our health. The biggest concern is that the excess carbon dioxide (along with sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) is being absorbed by the oceans which in turn raises their acidity. You do realize that aquatic organisms are extremely susceptible to changes in PH right? What about the prospect of our fish stocks collapsing, should that not be a concern for us all?

Feel free to show me what you know, you have that option. I have seen articles saying ice caps are growing, http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent/ . I linked the artcile about the bad record keeping too.

I mentioned we should be focused on actual pollution too. so whats the problem here? I refuse to say that humans are destroying the earth as we know it? Better to focus on actual pollution than the scam known as global warming, sorry i meant climate change since global warming has been dropped in favor of climate change, you know since data didnt back up the global warming, or was it global cooling from the 1970's. so hard to keep up with the ways we as humans seem to be heating  and cooing the earth in cycles. almost as if its natural. but i know its the green house gasses.

I repeat, it would be better if all this energy, money, time, and resources was used to educate people on local pollution, and pollution that causes health problems, instead of "climate change." "global cooling/global warming/climate change" all they do is distract from real enviromental problems.



Danman27 on 18 August 2014

Because there's a lot of idiots in the US.



mysticwolf on 18 August 2014

I don't know what you're talking about, polar bears go extinct all the time.



 Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.

Gaming on: PS4, PC, 3DS. Got a Switch! Mainly to play Smash

Wiped on 18 August 2014

I don't believe in global warming.

And no, I'm not religious, I believe in evolution, love science, space, etc etc. And I'm from the UK.

The problem is, global warming is just a load of hype. While the earth may be getting warmer - it is only part of the natural temperature cycles of the globe. The earth has been heating and cooling on a cycle for millions of years. It is a natural phenomenon, and us thinking we have affected the entire world's temperature after a (in the grand scheme of things) tiny, tiny 150 years or so, then we're massively overestimating ourselves.

The earth is much cooler now than it has been at several times throughout human existence.

That said, I'm not saying we shouldn't take care of the world - wasting resources, polluting rivers and filling the air with gases are not good things, and if global warming is the myth that makes people behave more responsibly, maybe it's a welcome white lie.



My Blog, Please Have A Read:

http://Proseandconsoles.blogspot.com

SvennoJ on 18 August 2014
thranx said:

Feel free to show me what you know, you have that option. I have seen articles saying ice caps are growing, http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent/ . I linked the artcile about the bad record keeping too.

I mentioned we should be focused on actual pollution too. so whats the problem here? I refuse to say that humans are destroying the earth as we know it? Better to focus on actual pollution than the scam known as global warming, sorry i meant climate change since global warming has been dropped in favor of climate change, you know since data didnt back up the global warming, or was it global cooling from the 1970's. so hard to keep up with the ways we as humans seem to be heating  and cooing the earth in cycles. almost as if its natural. but i know its the green house gasses.

I repeat, it would be better if all this energy, money, time, and resources was used to educate people on local pollution, and pollution that causes health problems, instead of "climate change." "global cooling/global warming/climate change" all they do is distract from real enviromental problems.

That article already explains the sea ice is up because of changing weather patterns. This article links those changes and cooler temperatures in NA to global warming. The jet stream is changing. http://www.theweathernetwork.com/insider-insights/articles/researchers-link-extreme-weather-events-to-global-warming-in-new-study/34133/

Sure lets focus on pollution, get rid of the oil sands and fracking, kill two birds with one stone. Humans are very much directly destroying and polluting the earth by the ongoing thirst for more oil.