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bouzane said:
PullusPardus said:
bouzane said:
Nighthawk117 said:
There's no hard evidence to support nor detract from the claim of "Global Warming"

NASA just launched a new satellite, OCO 2, a month ago, that over the next year or so, should give us the evidence to answer the ultimate environmental question of our time.


No offense but the global warming phenomenon is undeniable, we know that it is about a full degree warmer than it was a century ago. What we are uncertain about is whether or not human activities are causing or contributing to this change. The controversy is whether or not what we are experiencing is indeed anthropogenic global warming. I personally think that it is and I expect an oceanic limnic eruption to destabalize Earth's climate catastrophically. Who cares though, Earth is barely within the habitibility zone of Sol and will be uninhabitable within a few hundred million years anyway.

Not only that but the nearer you lived in the equator the more you will notice it. 

Summer is a lot hotter than what it used to be 20 years earlier, let alone 100.

I think because people lived in the US are in the "North" they don't notice it as much. 


Actually, the northern regions are the most heavily effected. In fact, the interior of Russia appears to be hardest hit of all. I live in Newfoundland Canada and we had a few days over 40 degrees this summer. That's not record breaking, that's record shattering!

In the kuwait we sometimes hit 50 degrees. right now its 3 am and its 34 =[ 

I guess the weather gets extremely cold in the north and extremely hot in the center?

Look at these temperatures. its not only hot but its dry hot and I seriously can't pass a day without getting severe headaches.

Either way Its obviously not the same as before, I used to be able to go out in the sun in the summer for hours now I can't go out for 5 minutes without getting "sunstruck"



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PullusPardus said:

In the kuwait we sometimes hit 50 degrees. right now its 3 am and its 34 =[ 

I guess the weather gets extremely cold in the north and extremely hot in the center?

34c at night, ouch.

Extremely cold in the north, nah. More like a local anomaly due to changing weather patterns. The cold winter and cooler summer in southern Ontario has been attributed to a persistant dip in the jet stream


June was the hottest month on record globally. That jet stream change and polar vortex effect provides cooler tempetarures where I live, most of the earth is well in the plus though.




PullusPardus said:
MoHasanie said:

]Yeah, you're reading my mind. They support you one minute, and then back stab you the next. Like what they did with Saddam and many others. See in the end, there was no proof Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. 

I'm not sure about the chem trails. Maybe they're testing chemicals, so that they can study their effects and use them in weapons. 

They had no proof, but Saddam was threatening my hometown back then (Kuwait) and other neighbors with chemical weapons (that he already used before by the way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack ) he himself bragged about Weapons of mass destruction. This is because Iran was also threatining (and still is) about their own weapons of mass destruction.

And I'm not even talking about the first gulf war. Thats something I lived through personally as a kid.

But was war the only the only solution? There were many other options open to them they could have used to stop Saddam from doing anything. The real reason for the war was probably just getting that oil. 



    

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PullusPardus said:

In the kuwait we sometimes hit 50 degrees. right now its 3 am and its 34 =[ 

I guess the weather gets extremely cold in the north and extremely hot in the center?

Look at these temperatures. its not only hot but its dry hot and I seriously can't pass a day without getting severe headaches.

Either way Its obviously not the same as before, I used to be able to go out in the sun in the summer for hours now I can't go out for 5 minutes without getting "sunstruck"

Woah, that's hotter than Dubai! Is Kuwait humid though? The humidity here is awful. You can't be outside for less than 5 minutes without sweating and feeling disgusting.  



    

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I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)



PullusPardus said:
bouzane said:
Nighthawk117 said:
There's no hard evidence to support nor detract from the claim of "Global Warming"

NASA just launched a new satellite, OCO 2, a month ago, that over the next year or so, should give us the evidence to answer the ultimate environmental question of our time.


No offense but the global warming phenomenon is undeniable, we know that it is about a full degree warmer than it was a century ago. What we are uncertain about is whether or not human activities are causing or contributing to this change. The controversy is whether or not what we are experiencing is indeed anthropogenic global warming. I personally think that it is and I expect an oceanic limnic eruption to destabalize Earth's climate catastrophically. Who cares though, Earth is barely within the habitibility zone of Sol and will be uninhabitable within a few hundred million years anyway.

Not only that but the nearer you lived in the equator the more you will notice it. 

Summer is a lot hotter than what it used to be 20 years earlier, let alone 100.

I think because people lived in the US are in the "North" they don't notice it as much. 


I live in so cal, only an hour or so away from mexico. been a cool summer here. I think people forget the us is huge, it covers many different types of geopgraphy and climates. Our north is experiecning a cold snap all year long with record lows being set. Yes weather changes, and climates change, but seeing as its been going on for ever its hard for me to see it as humans fault.



thranx said:
I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)


Sorry but global temperatures and solar cycles have been heading in the exact opposite direction for about 40 years now. Additionally, you can not blame  the Milankovitch cycles either because while there is a clear correlation between them and climate, they too have been going their seperate ways since the 60's. As far as I can tell the recent spike in greenhouse gases is the most probable cause for the extremely rapid and unusual disturbance in global climate and none of the alternative explanations make any sense. It merely seems to be the most logical conclusion as far as I can tell.



bouzane said:
thranx said:
I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)


Sorry but global temperatures and solar cycles have been heading in the exact opposite direction for about 40 years now. Additionally, you can not blame  the Milankovitch cycles either because while there is a clear correlation between them and climate, they too have been going their seperate ways since the 60's. As far as I can tell the recent spike in greenhouse gases is the most probable cause for the extremely rapid and unusual disturbance in global climate and none of the alternative explanations make any sense. It merely seems to be the most logical conclusion as far as I can tell.

with temperatures cooling and rising, ice caps growing and shrinking, and green house gasses only going up, it doesnt seem very logical to me. Not to mention logical does not mean its correct. Especially if we are going  to try and make massive changes to our economy to try and fix it. Like i said, we should focus on real issues we can fix, like actual pollution that causes human health problems.

 

Edit: Not too mention, how much can all this data be trusted. have we not had several times now readjusted the numbers because it was found that the scientist or people working at noaa were using projected data instead of actual? That is what happens when science goes from being science to being a cause, and than a tool used to bludgen businesses. they have too much at stake to be wrong now so they use data that works for them. its been turned into almost a religous like following, instead of one based on cold hard facts.



thranx said:
bouzane said:
thranx said:
I dont deny "climate change", you know they have changed the buzzword after the data didn't fit. But I dont think humans are the cause of it, or can do much to change it. To me it would be better to focus on pollutants and how they harm our body(something that actually hurts our health and we can change), vs global warming/climate change (something that probably isn't caused by us, but rather the sun, and something we can't actually fix or change)


Sorry but global temperatures and solar cycles have been heading in the exact opposite direction for about 40 years now. Additionally, you can not blame  the Milankovitch cycles either because while there is a clear correlation between them and climate, they too have been going their seperate ways since the 60's. As far as I can tell the recent spike in greenhouse gases is the most probable cause for the extremely rapid and unusual disturbance in global climate and none of the alternative explanations make any sense. It merely seems to be the most logical conclusion as far as I can tell.

with temperatures cooling and rising, ice caps growing and shrinking, and green house gasses only going up, it doesnt seem very logical to me. Not to mention logical does not mean its correct. Especially if we are going  to try and make massive changes to our economy to try and fix it. Like i said, we should focus on real issues we can fix, like actual pollution that causes human health problems.


I'm sorry but have you done any research into this matter whatsoever? I say this because the bolded statement leads me to believe that you haven't. Just because more greenhouse gases are being added to the atmosphere doesn't mean that climate will stop running in cycles because solar cycles and Milankovitch cycles didn't suddenly stop effecting the planet. Additionally, greenhouse gases do indeed have other consequences for our world and our health. The biggest concern is that the excess carbon dioxide (along with sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) is being absorbed by the oceans which in turn raises their acidity. You do realize that aquatic organisms are extremely susceptible to changes in PH right? What about the prospect of our fish stocks collapsing, should that not be a concern for us all?