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eFKac said:
prinz_valium said:
eFKac said:

@bold I don't understand, what are you trying to prove, that it sold well or not?

I don't know how it went for UK last gen, but MS is focusing more on the anglosaxon markets, probably more marketing, better app support etc. plus UK, like US seems to prefer FPS games more than mainland Europe where on the other hand racing and action adventure games shine, 360 excelled in the former, PS3 on the latter.

Keeping all of that in mind, it once again proves that brand is a secondary thing, Xbox outsold PlayStation in US/UK, now PS4 handily outsells Xbox there. Brand preferences are important, actual better product is way more.

As for Nintendo and Wii in the UK, that's exactly what I'm saying, make a good, desirable product and it will sell no matter if your brand is strong or not. It sold amazing numbers there just like DS, even though Nintendo consoles are performing slightly worse there than in other markets on average.

it sold well in that market

not so well in other markets

 

yeah thats all true and matter, too. but as i said. brand and company "loyality" aswell.

yes the ps4 is outselling the xbox one in the uk, right now. but just by a "low" margin. not 3:1 ltd or even 4:1 ytd like here in germany.

thats because of the way better product ps4 in many consumer mind. but the xbox one is still a good enough product in many more consumers mind there like in other markets. thats a point of brand/company awareness.

 

why do u try to imply that doesnt matter? its a big thing in economy

if every consumer would do a non subjective purchase decision without previous experiences for the brand/company, we would have a more similar picture in every market...

Already told you that it does matter, games line up, game genre focus, price, marketing, localisations, all that combined matters more. In my country, Poland Sony actually tries to actively sell consoles, marketing, localisations with big domestic names, social media, local support. MS doesn't give a fuck besides Kinect commercials, and guess what, 360 is actually really popular with kids and parents.

Very true, though the only people that were buying Xbox 360's since November 2010 were casuals/non-gamers, & that was only because of Kinect with it's $500 million advertising. Everyone else (being actual gamers) were buying PS3's, even when PS Move was around, as Sony didn't focus too much on it like Microsoft focused too much on Kinect & it's software, including Microsoft that were focusing too much on media stuff as well.

Which is one of the reasons why PS3 had caught onto 360 in total worldwide sales, despite the 360 having a huge lead over PS3 in the U.S. & the U.K. People outside of the U.S. & the U.K. however, have woken up & stop buying 360's & went for PS3's, because Sony were hugely focusing on gamers.



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DialgaMarine said:
Imaginedvl said:
DialgaMarine said:
As for Destiny, the fact that Bungie has more of a history with Xbox means very little. Given how vastly more popular GTA4 was on 360, many would've assumed GTA5, despite the perks/ bundles of the PS3 version, would've also done better but were proven very wrong. You have to understand that only a percentage of US consumers have loyalty to brand. Fact is, the majority go where the advertising goes. PS4, so far this gen, has proven to be the dominant system in the US because of it's superior advertising and great PR, despite the 360 dominating the US last gen. Trust me. If people see a bundle for Destiny with all the advertisement of the PS4 version being better, the vast majority will go for PS4. No doubt in my mind.

You certainly noticed that he was talking about NA (mainly USA) and not world wide.
First of all the pre-order number must be way higher on PS4 simply on the fact that there is more PS4 out there in NA... And then based on what you are saying the PS4 is going to dominated with Destiny based on their PR...

Well... Please, check the pre-order number for the USA before stating non-sense like that.

Also do you believe Sony is going millions of PS4 bundles or what?

 His whole prediction was based on WW; the thread title even says so. The GTA V bundle on PS3 pushed a shit ton of units, so I don't see why the Destiny bundle won't, especially if it lasts through the holidays and Destiny reamins popular. If you're talking Destiny US preorders, of course the PS4 physical copies arer going to be on a decline because of the bundle itself. Watch Dogs PS4 and XBone were close by the end, but the PS4 version still outsold by a large margin, and that didn't even get a bundle. 

I do believe PS4 is going to sell millions.



No, his Destiny comment was about NA.

Now okay, so you believe they will sell millions of Destiny bundles... Meaning that they will need to "manufacture" millions of them... I hope you realize how non sense this is lol. Have you a slight idea of how many time it takes to build a million PS4?



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Imaginedvl said:
DialgaMarine said:
Imaginedvl said:
DialgaMarine said:
As for Destiny, the fact that Bungie has more of a history with Xbox means very little. Given how vastly more popular GTA4 was on 360, many would've assumed GTA5, despite the perks/ bundles of the PS3 version, would've also done better but were proven very wrong. You have to understand that only a percentage of US consumers have loyalty to brand. Fact is, the majority go where the advertising goes. PS4, so far this gen, has proven to be the dominant system in the US because of it's superior advertising and great PR, despite the 360 dominating the US last gen. Trust me. If people see a bundle for Destiny with all the advertisement of the PS4 version being better, the vast majority will go for PS4. No doubt in my mind.

You certainly noticed that he was talking about NA (mainly USA) and not world wide.
First of all the pre-order number must be way higher on PS4 simply on the fact that there is more PS4 out there in NA... And then based on what you are saying the PS4 is going to dominated with Destiny based on their PR...

Well... Please, check the pre-order number for the USA before stating non-sense like that.

Also do you believe Sony is going millions of PS4 bundles or what?

 His whole prediction was based on WW; the thread title even says so. The GTA V bundle on PS3 pushed a shit ton of units, so I don't see why the Destiny bundle won't, especially if it lasts through the holidays and Destiny reamins popular. If you're talking Destiny US preorders, of course the PS4 physical copies arer going to be on a decline because of the bundle itself. Watch Dogs PS4 and XBone were close by the end, but the PS4 version still outsold by a large margin, and that didn't even get a bundle. 

I do believe PS4 is going to sell millions.



No, his Destiny comment was about NA.

Now okay, so you believe they will sell millions of Destiny bundles... Meaning that they will need to "manufacture" millions of them... I hope you realize how non sense this is lol. Have you a slight idea of how many time it takes to build a million PS4?

 I wouldn't have believed that 10 million + PS4's could exist on the market within the first 9 months of the console's life, but they do apparently. This Destiny bundle has been news for months now. You don't think Sony has been pushing their factories to the limits to produce a lot of bundles, especially given how much money they've bet on Destiny being a huge success? Now that sir, is nonsense. 





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Rafux said:
PS4 has the same games and same quality exclusives and bundles, they even out each other.

It is what it is and Sony won, Sony always win baby


They losed last gen. Came in last since Sony refuse to give anymore WW totals for the PS3. Last numbers were 80 for PS3 and 84 million for xbox 360. The Wii was over 100 million.



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XanderZane said:
Rafux said:
PS4 has the same games and same quality exclusives and bundles, they even out each other.

It is what it is and Sony won, Sony always win baby


They losed last gen. Came in last since Sony refuse to give anymore WW totals for the PS3. Last numbers were 80 for PS3 and 84 million for xbox 360. The Wii was over 100 million.

Last to this party, obviously!

And no, as far as sales estimates go, the PS3 is ahead of the 360. You can't change that around just because. ;)



                                                                                                                                            

XanderZane said:
Rafux said:
PS4 has the same games and same quality exclusives and bundles, they even out each other.

It is what it is and Sony won, Sony always win baby


They losed last gen. Came in last since Sony refuse to give anymore WW totals for the PS3. Last numbers were 80 for PS3 and 84 million for xbox 360. The Wii was over 100 million.

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FattyDingDong said:

I made a thread back in January stating that the X1 will carry US and Europe by Q1 2015. I was right about Microsoft cutting the price to 399$ and gaining more ground in the US and Europe.. But I was wrong about it completly outselling the PS4 and it seems unlikely that by Q1 2015 X1 will outsell PS4 in those regions. So I acknowledge that I was partially wrong. 

But allow me to make a new prediction which I'm certain will turn out to be true this time. I predict that by Q1 2016, Xbox One will outsell the PS4 in USA 3:1. in Europe 2:1. And Japan will be 1:1 ratio it can go either way.  Now before you leave a negative comment please let me explain why I think this will happen. the Xbox One has so many exclusive games coming out, Halo remastered, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider etc. Those are AAA games that will do a lot of damage against the PS4. It is true that PS4 will have Uncharted 4 along with some decent Indie games but I doubt that it will be enough to compete with the Xbox One exclusives..  Now of course that alone will not make my prediction happen.. It would be absurd if i were to claim that. So on top of that Microsoft will bundle the console with FIFA 15/FIFA 16 with a reduced price in the European markets which will appeal to gamers there. And Call of Duty Bundles in the US where majority of Americans love playing COD games.  Those crazy bundle deals along with the exclusive games I mentioned will make my prediction accurate.  After all it's always about the games at the end of the day.  Please do not misunderstand me, I think the PS4 is an outstanding console. I'm not a hater at all, I own both consoles.  But I'm certain that my prediction will be accurate.

What do you think? Am I right?

UPDATE: You guys may disagree with me that is totally fine but there is no need for personal attacks, so keep it classy folks.  And as for as Destiny Bundle helping the PS4 it may be true in Europe but in America Bungie games are way more well known on Xbox and hence it will do better on Xbox One despite the bundle.


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