Lol god damn some people have absolutely no understanding of business finance and a very bad interpretation of data....

I was about to start arguing some stuff but after reading some stuff it's clear useless this thread should die... Too much non sens in it...

You brought up the biggest logic errors I keep seeing on this website:

1) Businesses are created to make money, not find interesting ways of wasting it.

2) Yes Sony is in financial trouble, but Sony =/= Playstation.  I am talking about Playstation's Financial success in relation to Xbox. NOT MS in relation to Sony.

3) Sony's total assets are worth $132 billion.  Yes they are having financial problems now, but they are also in the process of getting rid of all of the useless divisions.  They will not disapear overnight.

makes absolute no sens in the subject at hand in that thread... COGS is all that matter versus total price tag not the perceived price from customer... And there S no such thing as free meal (game)...

Anyway I'm out we get it... XB is 10million shipped of doomed over 12+ months... MS is so fucked...

That right there is the answer everyone at MS is looking for: "Can Xbox become a consistantly profitable brand?"  So far the X1 was never selling at a profit, and with the new $50 price cut it is turning into another gereration of losses.  Yes, this gen will probably be an overall profitable generation for them.  But is that really enough?

Why spend all this money to take a decade or so making back the money you lost the first decade when your current money could be invested in better (More profitable) projects?  That is what investors are asking. 

The money MS wasted on the Xbox and 360 is gone, forever.  It is in the past.  You then have two choices:

1) Pour more money into the same losing division in hopes that you can some day say "We technically made money."

2) Invest the money into divisions like Windows, Servers, and IT that are making profits now and will probably bring greater returns on every dollar put in than Xbox would.

These are the points I try to argue every time but it seems to fall on deaf ears when it comes to the Anti MS Sony fanbase.  Indeed they should be more worried about a PS under a bleeding Sony than an xbox under a top of the rich list MS. MS will continue to support the XBOX brand and that is it - no amount of wishful doom posts is going to change the situation anytime soon. Move on and live with it People :) On a side note the latest weekly numbers are indeed encouraging for MS!

1) Xbox is also a vehicle for push MS products to the gamer demographics. Again, the Xbox brand has recouped some losses. As I mentioned before the Xbox 360 was a proftiable endeavor and X1 might be as well.

2) If Playstation was losing money Sony would consider selling it. If X1 is losing money they will support it and maybe it will profit down the road. The Xbox 360 lost billions of dollars from hardware failures and still recouped.

3) I didn't say Sony was going to disapear. But you should bear in mind MS is in a good position so that means Xbox doesn't need to disappear. Right now they're weathering the storm and becoming proftiable is still a possibility.

I think I just made the same point 3 times.

I have been in 4 stores in the last 2 days and while at the counter, saw at least 1 and no more than 3 x1's being sold.

1) It is fair to say that Xbox at the very least does allow MS to get their mindshare out there in different demographics.  But again it all comes down to "Is it worth it?"  Only MS can decide that, but it is easier to justify the expenses if the product at least makes a profit.   That isn't debatable.

2) But Playstation isn't losing money.  Also, MS doesn't need to be in a bad possition to consider selling/ending/transforming Xbox.  Again they want to make money off their investments.

3) Who said MS is in a bad position?  Nobody here.  You know what's easier than weathering a storm?  Not sailing into it.

1) Agreed.

2) They can still make money from the X1 investment. Espeically if they can avoid huge losses that OG Xbox and 360 had. They're spending money to boost X1 sales, but its likely small compared to losses between 2002 - 2007.

3) Great advice, unfortunately Nintendo, Sony, and MS have all done it.