Do those numbers count software sales and revenue related to XBLA? Cause that sounds impossibly high. In that case, wouldn't Playstation's 5bil loss put them in the red overall as well?

-As far as I can tell, yes that takes all things Xbox into account.

-This is the best I can find for PS profit:

http://i.imgur.com/1btMQH0.png

It looks bad at first, but if you add up the numbers in just this timespan it is clear that Sony has still profited far more than they lost (Like 50% more).  Also keep in mind that his chart does not include 2011 or 2012 which were the most profitable years for the PS3 with PS+ and so they likely wiped out most of those PS3 losses.  Then throw in the crazy financial success of the PS4 for another year and you can see that they probably have doubled their total investments.  Far better than Xbox.

Before anyone can call the Xbox division a financial disaster, its best to understand what the division means to MS.  There is a huge difference between how forum poster view something then how the company making the product view things.  Forum poster live for the moment to moment sales and think with their party lines more than with how a company views a product in their portfolio.  There are still people who believe that the PS3 was a profitable and valuable product to Sony even though the  numbers show it was a total disaster for the company and pretty much put them in the red for years.  

Also products are not always viewed on how much profit they bring but also about market share and what that market share and branding does for the overall products within a company.  For the Xbox division, the services that are behind the actual hardware is more important to MS than profits.  Expanding the Name and generating market share is probably more important to MS as a company then what gamers conceive or believe is important.  This was the case with Sony with the PS3 where they cut everything they could including any profits for years to gain market share because keeping the brand strong and market share high keeps the company product in high visibility for them to sale their other products like PS Now, Music and Videos, games and Now TV.

If post are going to take this narrow view of Sony and MS console then they are not even close to understanding how large corporations like them work. 

This guy here deserves a medal!! great guy btw

Given they already driven costs down PS is profitable and ohh yahh they them selves said they will persue sales hard they can easily do a cut.  Of course you dont think it, but reality is they would one becasue they would have to and two they have the ability.  Truth is MS fears them cutting which is why they only pulled a US only Temporary cut.   They know best a world wise cut now woudl sink the X1 for good.  They cant compete in most markets now a PS4 at 299 they woudl be literally dead in the water.  

based on the strong sales of 349 it doesnt need to go any lower

Its a financial disaster like no other for them, thast a fact.  Its so bad some have called for it being span of or even shut down. 

What you are spinning is a bs fairy tale, facts is profits above all.  Sony blew billions on PS3 casue they though it services and BR would make it back.  Profit motivated them.   MS is no different, there is no fanboyish lets keep it going casue we can mentality or we can afford it we got billions.  MS had a long term strategy for Xbox, and the third one X1 was to make back all the losses and dominate.  Clealry its failing big time.  

Xbox 360 was profitable in spite of losing a lot of money on hardware issues.

Frankly, $3 billion over 10 years is little to MS especially when the company as a whole is still very profitable. Xbox losses have also shrank over time.

Sony on the otherhand has been losing billions in spite of finding success again with Playstation. You should worry less about Xbox and more about Sony.

You're forgetting they are also throwing in a Assassins Creed: Unity and AC: Black Flag, and at Target they even included a $50 gift certificate with that. So, that's about $140 off of $329. They are so desperate for sales (or Target is so desperate to move all those piles and piles of xbones stacked in their warehouses) that they basically are selling the Xbone for $189 + tax.

$189 - Xbone

$60 - AC Unity

$50 - Gift Cert

$30 - AC4: Black Flag

= $329 

http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/786445-black-friday-target-sell-xbox-one-ac-unity-bundle-329-50-gift-card

Well the Xbox 360 lost billions early on and still became profitable.

Its unlikely X1 will lose that kind of money unless they run into some sort of hardware issues as well. So they can still make back losses like 360 did.