Actually I asked if having windows-shared games worked out for Xbox sales, and it did - marvelously. 

Microsoft made plenty of money from Xbox 360 - would have been astounding if it weren't for RRoD. Its harder to tease out from Sony's figured, but for all the money they are making off PS4 now (still not that much), they lost a truck tonne on the PS3 (some of which they are making up at the back end now).

I agree with you. Now all it would take is to release Halo: MCC & Quantum Break on PC, & Xbox One will be completely irrelevant.

This is foolish. Its coming to non console platforms so if you have a PC you have every reason outside of liking Halo and Gears to ignore the Xbox One. All that is left is Quantum Break. Thats the only big game MS has left to lose before people start to understand that the methodology that hurt them from last gen hasnt changed.

The funny thing is, this is essentially the exact reason I stopped buying games for the XB360 I bought in 2007 and instead bought them for the gaming PC I built in 2008.

When I look at the handful of XB360 games I bought over seven years, almost all of them (and there aren't many) represent the few games that remained XB360 exclusives.

With Kinect more or less out of the picture until some developer makes something truly magical for it, I have no reason to even think about buying an XBO other than for Halo and Gears of War; not enough to warrant having a giant sized XBO console on my entertainment shelf. Since I'm not going to subscribe to XBL Gold for a few games, I'm left with very little reason to ever buy one.

So now RYSE and DR3 are big games.

I've seen gamers say this ever since the 360 days! It's nothing new really!

Does the average consumer know the PS4 versions are generally better? I doubt it. Don't confuse people like us with the average consumer. They don't go online to observe the visual nuances. I know you'll find that hard to believe.

Why do you just assume that people that are about to spend $400+ on a piece of electronics just throw their money at the cash register blindly? Today, in the era of internet and youtube, all the info is only a click away.

And true, they will not scrutinize screenshots or even be able to distinguish between 900p and 1080p or 30 vs 60 fps themselves. And they don't need to. There are plenty of comparisons already served to them. They just need to google a few buzzwords, read a few articles and watch a few youtube videos, or ask a few knowledgable friends. And any objective dara will point them towards a superior, yet more affordable solution.

To think that XOne can generate sales strictly of the back of an "average consumer" is just wishful thinking. And those that are willing to spend  that much money without even knowing what they are buying are few and far between. And even in that particular case, Playstation brand is so much more powerful and has worldwide presence, while XBox brand virtually doesn't exist outside former British colonies and gamer-centric internet forums.

In the end, all XOne has to be different from PS4 in order to attract customers are irlts exclusives, which are few and far between, and increasingly available on other platforms...

And PS4 potentially lost 2 million sales by not having Titanfall. PS4 lost another million for not having DR3. And maybe another million for not having Ryse!

This is a stupid argument.

does it really matter what people say? I've never understood the fanboy war thing. I love my ps4,but I'm not going to throw it in people's faces and act like it's the second coming of gaming. I think this should go for console/pc that you own.