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LiquorandGunFun on 07 August 2014

If this system was to get fixed, this asswipe from CA would be paying for ALL legal and court fees when he losses.



 

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Mr Puggsly on 07 August 2014
DD_Bwest said:

oh please this is nothing..  Ubisoft and the shit they pulled with watch dogs is a thousand times worse.    KZ actually looked like its e3 show,  and technically is rendering a 1080p image its just using a trick to do it.  so the image doesnt really get upscaled.   Watchdogs on the other hand is virtually an entire different game in comparison to the shit they showed.

If Watch Dogs looked a thousand times worse... then it would look like an Atari 2600 game or something. The final product looked roughly the same (especially on PC). Eitherway, you shouldn't make a purchase based on footage shown in 2012 for a game released in 2014.

Ubisoft was honest about the native resolution their game is running at and we were aware of the visual downgrades. Sony on the other hand mislead people just to boast 1080p.



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PattonFiend on 07 August 2014

Suing a company that lies is what is wrong with America, huh?

I am pretty sure it is our corrupted government who steals trillions of dollars from us and then murders foreign nationals all over the globe on a daily basis. I guess I should also mention the billions of people the US government illegally spies on but no, what's wrong with America is suing a company who almost MONTHLY, gets caught lying about the resolution of their games and other shady practices.

Glad you cleared that up for me. I was almost worried about the wrong issues with my country... Whew.



Tachikoma on 07 August 2014
kowenicki said:
I really really HATE class actions like this.

That said, I think they may win this.

Some might say its semantics, but its also very clear what was said prior and what was said post are different.

I have my doubts that they will.

If it was simply a case of not being 1080P and spitting out a sub-1080P signal then fair enough, but it's being dynamically controlled in engine to mux vertical frames, while the end result isn't as clean as a standard 1080P signal, the output is still 1080P.

Basically put it uses the engine and a pixel motion tracking formula to fill in the blanks in between vertical lines, outputting the result as a full 1080P image.

it's not truly native 1080P of course, but the SP being native 1080P and that blurry line between outputting 1080P through engine trickery and outputting a sub-1080P image I believe will be enough to get around the lawsuit.



daredevil.shark on 07 August 2014

I hope Sony looses it and this will be a big lesson for them.



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curl-6 on 07 August 2014
daredevil.shark said:
I hope Sony looses it and this will be a big lesson for them.

I must admit, it would be a delicious slice of schadenfreude to see them fall under the 1080p bandwagon they helped build.



Sweep on 07 August 2014
NiKKoM said:
Zekkyou said:

Technically it is native 1080p. The image is a pixel perfect 1920x1080 after all (native simply refers to a displayed resolution that matches the source image). The method of getting there is just... unconventional :p


Not what the killzone devs say:
https://www.killzone.com/en_GB/blog/news/2014-03-06_regarding-killzone-shadow-fall-and-1080p.html

In Multiplayer mode, however, we use a technique called “temporal reprojection,” which combines pixels and motion vectors from multiple lower-resolution frames to reconstruct a full 1080p image. If native means that every part of the pipeline is 1080p then this technique is not native.

The dude sueing probably has that blog nicely printed out on cardboard to present to the judge..

Problem is with the "IF Native means...". Sony will simply say that native doesn't mean that every part of the pipeline have to be 1080P and the guy suing will remain with his pants down



Sweep on 07 August 2014
DD_Bwest said:
The guy is riding a high from a lawsuit payday, probably wants to try and hit it that button again.


Biggest give away? He claims he researched the purchase to find out if it was really 1080p before buying it. But this happened in may. 2 months AFTER the entire story broke about the whole temporal reprojection or whatever they call it.

If you google search killzone 1080p and set it up to ignore results from the past day, you pretty much get countless articles about the controversy.

This is about the equivalent of someone today taking up smoking, then suing the tobacco companies for the harmful effects.

Exactly.

I hope this guy loses a ton of money in the process, that's all he deserves



The Fury on 07 August 2014
daredevil.shark said:
I hope Sony looses it and this will be a big lesson for them.

Big lesson for all games companies. Don't advertise your resolution in any way, even on box as if even a part of the game isn't exactly that, you get sued for it.

There won't be a Resolution Gate if we don't know any resolutions. 

... Or just change box art to say 'Up To' on it.



Hmm, pie.

daredevil.shark on 07 August 2014
The Fury said:
daredevil.shark said:
I hope Sony looses it and this will be a big lesson for them.

Big lesson for all games companies. Don't advertise your resolution in any way, even on box as if even a part of the game isn't exactly that, you get sued for it.

There won't be a Resolution Gate if we don't know any resolutions. 

... Or just change box art to say 'Up To' on it.


Yup. Plus I haven't forgotten dual 1080p output from ps3 and killzone 2 CGI. When it comes to deception Sony takes the crown.