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MoHasanie on 05 August 2014
Pristine20 said:
I hate to say it but I Iraq was better off with Saddam. Dictator or not, suicide bombing wasn't commonplace, children could go to school, there was running water and electricity, etc. The cost: don't get on Saddam's bad side politically. I say that was a small price to pay in hindsight.

Look at the country now, so much better huh?

I don't think so. I mean, of course he'd continue ruling, but once the Arab spring would have started, the Iraqi people would want to bring a revolution to their own country and see a new government and person in power. Saddam wouldn't let those people protest and would've just got rid of them. I mean, he's already done it many times before when he was in power. So in the end, Iraq may have end up in a  similar situtation which Syria is in right now. 



    

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MoHasanie on 05 August 2014
goulibouli said:
MoHasanie said:

So its Britain and USA's fault again? Not surprising. I can understand why the USA wants some form of power in all parts of the world, but Britain hardly has any influence left. 

Surprisingly, the US and there allies, and mostly their banks, are responsible for most shit in the world.

Living in France, our country is being ruined by the US, and because of the US we are brought to wars in Middle-East like Lybia, Syria or Israel.

And like in Africa, Middle-East is being transformed in an extremist conflict hell-hole while mainly american (and some European) companies are left alone stealing ressources because the country is to instable to revolt against it.

Yes you are right. And if we are talking about conspriacy theories, then its the Zionists who are behind most of the stuff that happens in the world. 



    

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MoHasanie on 05 August 2014
PattonFiend said:

Maybe they should fight for their own country and human rights? Maybe they should come out of the age of stoning and murdering woman and children for absolutely no reason. Maybe they should stop marrying 9-year olds and pick up a f'ng math book or a book on international politics and lay down the religious fairytales that say kill everyone who doesn't believe what you do.

If they cannot even help themselves, what makes anyone think anyone else could help them?

My point was not to offend anyone but to get the point across that maybe they should have a different mentality since this one that is a millenia old is not working for them...

"Let's just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right, guys! Are you with me?!?!"

What are you trying to say? Are you saying Islam is the reason for all this stuff happening? 



    

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kljesta64 on 05 August 2014
PullusPardus said:
kljesta64 said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.


dont talk nonsense.


Stay in the middle east for just one week and you would change your mind about this...

they use religion simply because they can if it werent for religion it would have been something else. this is like saying people die of HIV because viruses exist and they do die but humans are to blame not the virus. and I do live in a christian/muslim town nothing bad is here happening at least not like in iraq..



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PattonFiend on 05 August 2014
MoHasanie said:
PattonFiend said:

Maybe they should fight for their own country and human rights? Maybe they should come out of the age of stoning and murdering woman and children for absolutely no reason. Maybe they should stop marrying 9-year olds and pick up a f'ng math book or a book on international politics and lay down the religious fairytales that say kill everyone who doesn't believe what you do.

If they cannot even help themselves, what makes anyone think anyone else could help them?

My point was not to offend anyone but to get the point across that maybe they should have a different mentality since this one that is a millenia old is not working for them...

"Let's just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right, guys! Are you with me?!?!"

What are you trying to say? Are you saying Islam is the reason for all this stuff happening? 


No I did not. In fact, I never even mentioned the word Islam but thanks for putting words in my mouth and that is awfully sweet of you to jump to conclusions!



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MoHasanie on 05 August 2014
PattonFiend said:
MoHasanie said:
PattonFiend said:

Maybe they should fight for their own country and human rights? Maybe they should come out of the age of stoning and murdering woman and children for absolutely no reason. Maybe they should stop marrying 9-year olds and pick up a f'ng math book or a book on international politics and lay down the religious fairytales that say kill everyone who doesn't believe what you do.

If they cannot even help themselves, what makes anyone think anyone else could help them?

My point was not to offend anyone but to get the point across that maybe they should have a different mentality since this one that is a millenia old is not working for them...

"Let's just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right, guys! Are you with me?!?!"

What are you trying to say? Are you saying Islam is the reason for all this stuff happening? 


No I did not. In fact, I never even mentioned the word Islam but thanks for putting words in my mouth!

I don't understand what you're blaming this on though. You are saying that their mentalities and beliefs are the reason for what's happening, right? 



    

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Kane1389 on 05 August 2014
Serious_frusting said:
swbf2lord said:
osed125 said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.

Harsh but true.

Prayers don't help people, actions do.


But the prayers can galvanize us into action, with the (at times) unseen hand of God, moving people to do things outside of what they find comfortable. I'll continue to pray for those in Iraq, and the whole of the Middle East. It's a very unstable region, and only God can change their hearts now.

 

What Serious_frusting said is in no way true. Ludicrous, and in a way, sad, but not true.

Fine whilst you continue preying innocent men and woman are dying. It does not make you a good person being religious. Being a good person makes you a good person. The people dying are the people in the army and in the affected nations. Tell all the children who have lost pairents that you did your part by preying and listen to what they have to say about it. 

 

Religion was/is just another form of government. I aint going to prey to david cameron. 


Religious charity organizations and the Catholic Church alone have done more to help people in crisis areas than any of you whinning, hateful, keyboard warriors ever did for anyone or anything



tiffac on 05 August 2014
Xevross said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.

Agreed, the world would be a better and safer place without religion. Praying accomplishes absolutely nothing, if you truly wanted to help them you'd donate money to the cause, campain, raise awareness etc... whats the point of talking to yourself with your hands together?

OT: this is really horrible, nobody should ever be allowed to commit acts like these, yet western governments to nothing. News sites focus on Ukraine and Gaza whwn Iraq is 100x worse, so not many people know and care. This really saddens me.

Religion is an idea just like communism, capitalism, atheism or whatever. The world wouldn't change without it and a lot of people who believe in the spiritual actually does what you just pointed out.

Simply put all these suffering is caused by men who doesn't have any goodwill to their fellow men. Wether they are gun wielding fanatics or men in a $1000 suit (is there a $1000 suit?)



MoHasanie on 05 August 2014
osed125 said:

There's a lot of crap that comes out of governments mouths, I wouldn't go too deep into that graph.

That said, even though ISIS is fighting against the Syrian government (or more specifically the ideas of Bashar Al Assad) that doesn't mean there might be some individuals inside the Syrian government who are indeed cooperating with ISIS, and thus the "ISIS is funded by the Syrian Regime" is very possible. 

Most Middle East countries are very unstable, a big dog from the government selling stuff to ISIS is not really hard to believe. 

That's true. I never thought about it like that. 

Regardless of who's funding who, I think its pretty obvious that Assad will be overthrown very soon. He has no chance. 



    

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bigjon on 05 August 2014
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.


stupid statement. Taking Islam and Medieval Catholism out of the equation the religions that are still followed today are good, they may impress morals on people you dont agree with, but that is about the worst thing you can says.

Most of the most murderious dictators of the past 200 years have been part of aethist governments (absense of divine law leaves men to create there own morals, that is where you get your Hitlers, Stalins, Maos, etc)



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