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spurgeonryan said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Wasn't it always hell in Iraq? Is it heller?


Despite the world hating US for sending troops there, it actually was not so bad for a few years. But now it has spiraled.

 

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So now this is all America's fault? If I recall they wanted USA to get out so they run they're own country. Ofcourse USA shouldn't of left that quickly people were just waiying them out, at some point in time u have to take care of your own country.



Hurr1cane said:
So now this is all America's fault? If I recall they wanted USA to get out so they run they're own country. Ofcourse USA shouldn't of left that quickly people were just waiying them out, at some point in time u have to take care of your own country.

Well, in all honesty, they were taking care of their own business until Americans invaded them, occupied them, extradicted their former leader to get executed, stirred decades and centuries old hatred, sold them weapons, and then left millions of civillians at the mercy of military and terrorist leaders.

It is actually hard to argue that it's anyone's fault but American.



Hurr1cane said:
So now this is all America's fault? If I recall they wanted USA to get out so they run they're own country. Ofcourse USA shouldn't of left that quickly people were just waiying them out, at some point in time u have to take care of your own country.


Because the USA created a lot of this, they were the ones that created Bin Ladin and a whole of of the mess that is there. Thanks to the US, Al Qaeda was created pretty much because they didn't like Russians. Then you go and few these people by sending them weapons and aid such as what you did in Syria hoping to place your own puppet in power.

Also, in iraqs stance, They were minding their own busisness and then they accused them of WMD which none were found souly so they could get oil. Then they occupied it for a while and when that happens, you get a lot of unhappy people. Then when the power is to shift when they leave, there are power struggles. It never would have mattered how long the US military was there. The moment they would have left, these power struggles would have happened and would either be the same group or a new one.



Burek said:
Hurr1cane said:
So now this is all America's fault? If I recall they wanted USA to get out so they run they're own country. Ofcourse USA shouldn't of left that quickly people were just waiying them out, at some point in time u have to take care of your own country.

Well, in all honesty, they were taking care of their own business until Americans invaded them, occupied them, extradicted their former leader to get executed, stirred decades and centuries old hatred, sold them weapons, and then left millions of civillians at the mercy of military and terrorist leaders.

It is actually hard to argue that it's anyone's fault but American.



so if the US never went there and left Saddam in charge things wold be better now? I think all this was going to happen in some form regardless but I respect your opinion.

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dont be fooled, OP only cares about christians and this is just a propaganda piece. christians have been responding in kind to this behavior by slaying muslims left and right.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/05/muslim-youths-mutilated-car-2014525221820168743.html

let's just pretend muslims are evil and christians are good. BOTH groups are destructive and need to put an end to this childish nonsense of the magic sky wizard. only immature brains can be so gullible.

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Hurr1cane said:


so if the US never went there and left Saddam in charge things wold be better now? I think all this was going to happen in some form regardless but I respect your opinion.

Honestly I'd say yes, things would be better. yes this group ISIS could have still rose up but I doubt it would be as bad as it is now. You'd probably just end up with a civial war comparable to the Syrian war (which really only got worse because... well America yet again... go figure.) that would probably result in the government forces pushing this group back. But the problem is now, because the US went in, removed their leader and caused a massive poweshift, the forces will not be as strong, experienced and probably not as loyal, it just turns into a doomed senario.



I can respect that, but Saddam was BRUTAL himself and needed to go.^^^^^



MohammadBadir said:
MoHasanie said:

Yes its very sad. I have to say though, these terrorists aren't just random unskilled men with weapons. They look highly trained and seem to have many powerful weapons at their disposal. I find it very hard to believe than an army of 1 million soldiers can collapse so easily against some terrorist group with just twenty thousand soldiers. Clearly they are very strong and are being backed by some very powerful people.

And unfortunately these mass killings will continue. Only 2% of Iraq is Christian, but what's more worrying is that 65% of their country is Shia, and these terrorists think people of any other faith other than Sunni Islam need to be killed. Very bad times for the people of Iraq.



Ugh, I can't believe that apparently these guys share the same religion as me...

And I must be missing something here, I thought killing someone because of their ethnicity/skin color/religion is one of the biggest sins in Sunni Islam and will earn you a place in hell all by itself -.-

Yeah I agree. Islam tolerates every religion so these very 'relgious' people are breaking all the rules of Islam. These people are not Sunni nor are they Muslim They claim to be but they have the thinking of Wahabi fantatics and do things that the religion forbids people to do. 

I'm pretty sure its the biggest sin in all religions. These guys twist the story though and claim that they are doing Jihad by killing people of other faiths. 



    

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kljesta64 said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.


dont talk nonsense.


Stay in the middle east for just one week and you would change your mind about this...