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Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1

Are you sure ? That would put the 3DS under Wii U and Xbone

I'm just asking my friend.



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binary solo said:
bananaking21 said:
about fucking time. PS4 crushing the other consoles.


It's  not >50% this week so clearly it is weakening badly; at least that's what some people would have us believe.

And on that note, do we have a pre-TLOUR dip here? It's only about a 5.5% drop but normal fluctuations around baseline are 2 to 3 percent.

How much of a concern is it to MS that kinectless hasn't lifted Xb one into a clear 2nd place? Is it a wait and see what HMCC, Destiny, CoD, FH2, SO, and third tier countries do for Xb one before looking for more solutions to lift sales?

Well done WiiU for holding on to 2nd spot. But I won't call those good numbers. If PS3 deserved criticism for hitting 60 to 70k lows during its worst years (and it did) I will not praise such lows in other consoles. And neither should Nintendo fans praise such low achievement merely because 30k was the norm prior to MK8.

Last gen is pretty different from this gen. Markets are different and all that jazz.



Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1

3 to 1 at LEAST?

 

Cant handle another console being successful alongside Sony Master Race lol.



Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1


What? How is that even possible looking at NPD+Media Creates? You kno 3DS could of just been overshipped for the holiday. Its happened with other HH+ Consoles in the past. I mean 3DS is killing PS4 in japan, and NPD shows 3DS doing 100k+ per month.



Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1


Yeah. This is a numbers website, so try and not post something that is complete bullshit. If you were trying to get people to respond, then you accomplished your goal (that's what trolls do). Your statement was contradictory anyway.

"official SHIPMENT numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outSELLING it by atleast 3:1"

 

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I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

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ohmylanta1003 said:
Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1


Yeah. This is a numbers website, so try and not post something that is complete bullshit. If you were trying to get people to respond, then you accomplished your goal (that's what trolls do). Your statement was contradictory anyway.

"official SHIPMENT numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outSELLING it by atleast 3:1"

Lol this dude explaining what type of website this is to a 3+ year member with ~60 times the post count


Nintendo sold 0.82M consoles last Q

Sony sold 3.5M PS3+PS4's last Q, majority of which are PS4 sales

PS3 sold 1.1M same period last year. PS3 is down a lot YoY as is evident on NPD, MC and Chart track data etc.

PS3 last Q is definetly not at 1.1M, there is no YoY stagnation for a 7 year old console, it's down according to every tracker.

Conclusion: PS4 atleast 2.4M, more than likely close to +3M

Sales of the PS3+PS4 alone are more than anything MS and Nintendo sold combined.

Shipment is a term "gamers" came up with, when I use it next to "sold", it should be obvious what I mean with that, the term sold in these instances always refers to sold-in, as in: to retailers. Even then, it should be clear what "outsold it in shipment" means, really... If you're honestly confused and need even more simple explanation: it meant "outshipped in shipments"

lawl...

The PS4 is an absolute beast and no console or handheld comes close to it in overall sales.

Next time before you comment, do your homework. When you try to talk about numbers, show them, instead of being angry, I don't wanna waste my time with people who don't look at numbers.



Smear-Gel said:
binary solo said:
bananaking21 said:
about fucking time. PS4 crushing the other consoles.


It's  not >50% this week so clearly it is weakening badly; at least that's what some people would have us believe.

And on that note, do we have a pre-TLOUR dip here? It's only about a 5.5% drop but normal fluctuations around baseline are 2 to 3 percent.

How much of a concern is it to MS that kinectless hasn't lifted Xb one into a clear 2nd place? Is it a wait and see what HMCC, Destiny, CoD, FH2, SO, and third tier countries do for Xb one before looking for more solutions to lift sales?

Well done WiiU for holding on to 2nd spot. But I won't call those good numbers. If PS3 deserved criticism for hitting 60 to 70k lows during its worst years (and it did) I will not praise such lows in other consoles. And neither should Nintendo fans praise such low achievement merely because 30k was the norm prior to MK8.

Last gen is pretty different from this gen. Markets are different and all that jazz.

Yeah, but sub-60K weeks is mediocre at best in any generation.



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Turkish said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1


Yeah. This is a numbers website, so try and not post something that is complete bullshit. If you were trying to get people to respond, then you accomplished your goal (that's what trolls do). Your statement was contradictory anyway.

"official SHIPMENT numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outSELLING it by atleast 3:1"

Lol this dude explaining what type of website this is to a 3+ year member with ~60 times the post count


Nintendo sold 0.82M consoles last Q

Sony sold 3.5M PS3+PS4's last Q, majority of which are PS4 sales

PS3 sold 1.1M same period last year. PS3 is down a lot YoY as is evident on NPD, MC and Chart track data etc.

PS3 last Q is definetly not at 1.1M, there is no YoY stagnation for a 7 year old console, it's down according to every tracker.

Conclusion: PS4 atleast 2.4M, more than likely close to +3M

Sales of the PS3+PS4 alone are more than anything MS and Nintendo sold combined.

Shipment is a term "gamers" came up with, when I use it next to "sold", it should be obvious what I mean with that, the term sold in these instances always refers to sold-in, as in: to retailers. Even then, it should be clear what "outsold it in shipment" means, really... If you're honestly confused and need even more simple explanation: it meant "outshipped in shipments"

lawl...

The PS4 is an absolute beast and no console or handheld comes close to it in overall sales.

Next time before you comment, do your homework. When you try to talk about numbers, show them, instead of being angry, I don't wanna waste my time with people who don't look at numbers.


The PS4 is currently in high demand. It's hard to keep the consoles in stock, which is why they have SHIPPED so many consoles recently. 3DS, on the other hand, just came off of a great year, but is currently not in high demand. This would suggest that during that great year, Nintendo might have SHIPPED a lot of units, explaining why their shipments of the 3DS were so low last quarter. I don't think VGChartz is insisting anything. They are showing that the PS4 is slightly outSELLING the 3DS. End of story. You don't have to flash your credentials at me. That's like saying you're smarter than someone because you're older than them. It's a terrible argument. You have to differentiate between SHIPPED and sold through to the consumer. From your original post, it's very difficult to understand what point you are trying to make.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

ohmylanta1003 said:
Turkish said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
Turkish said:
Gotta love how vgchartz keep insisting 3DS being close to PS4 yet official shipment numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outselling it by atleast 3:1


Yeah. This is a numbers website, so try and not post something that is complete bullshit. If you were trying to get people to respond, then you accomplished your goal (that's what trolls do). Your statement was contradictory anyway.

"official SHIPMENT numbers from Nintendo prove that PS4 is outSELLING it by atleast 3:1"

Lol this dude explaining what type of website this is to a 3+ year member with ~60 times the post count


Nintendo sold 0.82M consoles last Q

Sony sold 3.5M PS3+PS4's last Q, majority of which are PS4 sales

PS3 sold 1.1M same period last year. PS3 is down a lot YoY as is evident on NPD, MC and Chart track data etc.

PS3 last Q is definetly not at 1.1M, there is no YoY stagnation for a 7 year old console, it's down according to every tracker.

Conclusion: PS4 atleast 2.4M, more than likely close to +3M

Sales of the PS3+PS4 alone are more than anything MS and Nintendo sold combined.

Shipment is a term "gamers" came up with, when I use it next to "sold", it should be obvious what I mean with that, the term sold in these instances always refers to sold-in, as in: to retailers. Even then, it should be clear what "outsold it in shipment" means, really... If you're honestly confused and need even more simple explanation: it meant "outshipped in shipments"

lawl...

The PS4 is an absolute beast and no console or handheld comes close to it in overall sales.

Next time before you comment, do your homework. When you try to talk about numbers, show them, instead of being angry, I don't wanna waste my time with people who don't look at numbers.


The PS4 is currently in high demand. It's hard to keep the consoles in stock, which is why they have SHIPPED so many consoles recently. 3DS, on the other hand, just came off of a great year, but is currently not in high demand. This would suggest that during that great year, Nintendo might have SHIPPED a lot of units, explaining why their shipments of the 3DS were so low last quarter. I don't think VGChartz is insisting anything. They are showing that the PS4 is slightly outSELLING the 3DS. End of story. You don't have to flash your credentials at me. That's like saying you're smarter than someone because you're older than them. It's a terrible argument. You have to differentiate between SHIPPED and sold through to the consumer. From your original post, it's very difficult to understand what point you are trying to make.


3DS peaked in 2012, it sold less in 2013 than it did the year before so no, it wasn't due to 3DS having shipped a lot in 2013 that they're clearing stock from that last year.  If that was the case they'd have shipped 0 units this quarter or very close to it. What you're saying doesn't make sense at all because during the Jan-March period they shipped 600k so they're definetly not clearing overshipped stock. 3DS is just less in demand. PS4 sales are 3:1 to 3DS. +2.4M vs 0.82.



WiiU still on top of Xbone, thats good and still getting good numbers, its not amazing numbers but good. It deserves it.