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Forums - Sales Discussion - UK Charts Week Ending 02 August 2014

Smear-Gel on 08 August 2014
jlmurph2 said:
Smear-Gel said:
Why is everyone putting White Eagle on the cross for not liking Minecraft? Not liking things that don't interest you isn't exactly a new thing.


Not liking something is completely different from hating something. I know its cliche but hate is a really strong word. And do you really want a popular indie game to have that much control over your life that whenever you hear its name your blood boils or something like that? Its just a game. No need to "hate" it. I dont care for Minecraft at all and have never played it in my life. If its popular after this long then there's something there people like, and I respect that.

Hate is a strong word for some people. I hate tonnes of things. Johhny Test, nostalgia-nerds, the final season of Hannah Montana, par-boiled rice, etc. You're putting the words ""has control over your life"" into his words and mine.



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QuintonMcLeod on 08 August 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

But you're using 7th gen numbers. This would be data going all the way back to 2006. I'm talking about data going from 2010 forward. The transition from 7th gen to 8th gen brought about a serious decline in video game revenue in the UK. Places such as France and Germany are becoming more relevant.

Using VGC is fine for unit sales, but for revenue, you gotta look at legit sources. I gave you a source and you didn't like it. So, I asked you to provide me a source and you gave me a reasonable one, but it didn't have France's numbers. I have a feeling that you're seeing what I'm saying, but refuse to acknowledge it.

How about this?

Total revenue:
UK = #5 in the world
France = #7 in the world
Germany = #4 in the world

# of gamers per market segment:
UK - Console + Handheld = 33.4 million
France - Console + Handheld = 30 million
Germany - Console + Handheld = 30.9 million

UK - PC/Mac = 20.8 million
France - PC/Mac = 16.6 million
Germany - PC/Mac = 26.3 million

Shows that Germany is the biggest overall market, but largely due to PC gaming, on console alone UK would appear to be the biggest market. With France coming in 3rd on both overall and just consoles.

This is December 2013/January 2014 data from:
http://www.newzoo.com/infographics/infographic-the-uk-games-market/
http://www.newzoo.com/infographics/infographic-french-games-market/
http://www.newzoo.com/infographics/infographic-german-games-market/


Ok. So, if that's the case, why don't we include France and Germany? Why is it always the UK? BTW: your sources don't mention that UK is #1 in the console space.



MoHasanie on 08 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:


But you're using 7th gen numbers. This would be data going all the way back to 2006. I'm talking about data going from 2010 forward. The transition from 7th gen to 8th gen brought about a serious decline in video game revenue in the UK. Places such as France and Germany are becoming more relevant.

Using VGC is fine for unit sales, but for revenue, you gotta look at legit sources. I gave you a source and you didn't like it. So, I asked you to provide me a source and you gave me a reasonable one, but it didn't have France's numbers. I have a feeling that you're seeing what I'm saying, but refuse to acknowledge it.

But I explained that the reason console sales slowed after 2011 in the UK was because of market saturation. Ok, lets use 8th gen console numbers then if you don't think 7th gen numbers prove my point: 

  UK France Germany
PS4 952,162 498,412 531,185
Xbox One 635,037 200,413 174,257
Wii U 321,052 406,552 276,861
Total
1,908,251
1,105,377
982,303

UK is way ahead of both France and Germany in console sales. These are the most recent numbers from VGC. 

I don't know where to find console sales revenue. But considering the fact that the UK's total console sales are way ahead of the other two European countries, and the UK's prices for consoles are the highest, I'm confident revenue will be the highest in the UK too. 



    

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QuintonMcLeod on 09 August 2014
MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


But you're using 7th gen numbers. This would be data going all the way back to 2006. I'm talking about data going from 2010 forward. The transition from 7th gen to 8th gen brought about a serious decline in video game revenue in the UK. Places such as France and Germany are becoming more relevant.

Using VGC is fine for unit sales, but for revenue, you gotta look at legit sources. I gave you a source and you didn't like it. So, I asked you to provide me a source and you gave me a reasonable one, but it didn't have France's numbers. I have a feeling that you're seeing what I'm saying, but refuse to acknowledge it.

But I explained that the reason console sales slowed after 2011 in the UK was because of market saturation. Ok, lets use 8th gen console numbers then if you don't think 7th gen numbers prove my point: 

  UK France Germany
PS4 952,162 498,412 531,185
Xbox One 635,037 200,413 174,257
Wii U 321,052 406,552 276,861
Total
1,908,251
1,105,377
982,303

UK is way ahead of both France and Germany in console sales. These are the most recent numbers from VGC. 

I don't know where to find console sales revenue. But considering the fact that the UK's total console sales are way ahead of the other two European countries, and the UK's prices for consoles are the highest, I'm confident revenue will be the highest in the UK too. 


Alright. I think we're done here. If all you can use is VGC numbers, then there's not much you can prove to me. The previous guy I replied to gave me a different set of numbers that do not reflect what you're saying. Even so, my point still stands. We need to include France and Germany in these numbers and stop focusing so hard on just the UK.



sully1311 on 10 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:

Alright. I think we're done here. If all you can use is VGC numbers, then there's not much you can prove to me. The previous guy I replied to gave me a different set of numbers that do not reflect what you're saying. Even so, my point still stands. We need to include France and Germany in these numbers and stop focusing so hard on just the UK.

Start creating a weekly French/German chart thread then. That's all we are doing.