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QuintonMcLeod said:

Not only does your source include PC games and neglects to show Console revenue sales, but it completely understates your point. Wanna try again with a different source?

 

Pic. 3: Money spent on games, in billion (UK – £, Germany – €, USA – $)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does that negate my point?



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sully1311 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Not only does your source include PC games and neglects to show Console revenue sales, but it completely understates your point. Wanna try again with a different source?

 

Pic. 3: Money spent on games, in billion (UK – £, Germany – €, USA – $)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does that negate my point?


Because it doesn't include France at all.

Take a look at the link I provided earlier. It shows Germany just slightly ahead of the UK. Your website shows the UK just slight ahead of Germany. With that info, we can conclude they're roughly neck to neck. So, it appears my numbers are too far off from your numbers.

There's just one little tiny detail your numbers are missing... France. France seemed to have blown the UK out of the water. You claim the UK is #1, but you've haven't shown nearly the amount of numbers I've presented which actually shows that UK is, in fact, not number 1.



QuintonMcLeod said:
sully1311 said:

Pic. 3: Money spent on games, in billion (UK – £, Germany – €, USA – $)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does that negate my point?


Because it doesn't include France at all.

Take a look at the link I provided earlier. It shows Germany just slightly ahead of the UK. Your website shows the UK just slight ahead of Germany. With that info, we can conclude they're roughly neck to neck. So, it appears my numbers are too far off from your numbers.

There's just one little tiny detail your numbers are missing... France. France seemed to have blown the UK out of the water. You claim the UK is #1, but you've haven't shown nearly the amount of numbers I've presented which actually shows that UK is, in fact, not number 1.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that graph puts the currency of each country and hasn't converted them to the same currency. If that's the case, then the UK would be much higher than Germany in terms of console sales since the the British pound is equal to 1.26 Euro's. 



    

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MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
sully1311 said:

Pic. 3: Money spent on games, in billion (UK – £, Germany – €, USA – $)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does that negate my point?


Because it doesn't include France at all.

Take a look at the link I provided earlier. It shows Germany just slightly ahead of the UK. Your website shows the UK just slight ahead of Germany. With that info, we can conclude they're roughly neck to neck. So, it appears my numbers are too far off from your numbers.

There's just one little tiny detail your numbers are missing... France. France seemed to have blown the UK out of the water. You claim the UK is #1, but you've haven't shown nearly the amount of numbers I've presented which actually shows that UK is, in fact, not number 1.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that graph puts the currency of each country and hasn't converted them to the same currency. If that's the case, then the UK would be much higher than Germany in terms of console sales since the the British pound is equal to 1.26 Euro's. 


Umm.. No... No it's not.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/Euros-to-Pounds-currency-conversion-page.html

1 EUR = 0.7943 GBP

 



QuintonMcLeod said:

Umm.. No... No it's not.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/Euros-to-Pounds-currency-conversion-page.html

1 EUR = 0.7943 GBP

 


That's kinda the same thing but the opposite way around of what I said. Regardless, both rates prove the UK pound sterling has a higher value than the Euro...

If we use the rate you qouted : 1 EUR = 0.7943 GBP

 

According to that graph, console expenditure in the UK is around GBP 1.6bn and Germany is EUR 1.4bn. In terms of GBP, the German console market would then be worth 1.112bn GBP. So clearly the UK is ahead. 

If you don't understand exchange rates, then convert each currency to one that you know like US dollars and figure it out.



    

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MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Umm.. No... No it's not.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/Euros-to-Pounds-currency-conversion-page.html

1 EUR = 0.7943 GBP

 


That's kinda the same thing but the opposite way around of what I said. Regardless, both rates prove the UK pound sterling has a higher value than the Euro...

If we use the rate you qouted : 1 EUR = 0.7943 GBP

 

According to that graph, console expenditure in the UK is around GBP 1.6bn and Germany is EUR 1.4bn. In terms of GBP, the German console market would then be worth 1.112bn GBP. So clearly the UK is ahead. 

If you don't understand exchange rates, then convert each currency to one that you know like US dollars and figure it out.


I think you missed my point. So, I'm gonna give up. You're right, I'm wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.



QuintonMcLeod said:

I think you missed my point. So, I'm gonna give up. You're right, I'm wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.


No, no, please explain your point if you have one. I did somewhat agree with you that France has been bigger in some years than the UK. 



    

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MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

I think you missed my point. So, I'm gonna give up. You're right, I'm wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.


No, no, please explain your point if you have one. I did somewhat agree with you that France has been bigger in some years than the UK. 


My point is that the UK is no longer #1. I'll concede that Germany may or may not be tied with the UK, if not, lower by a small numbers. However, France is on fire in Europe. Even with that said, no one talks about France or Germany. It's always about the UK. I find that odd.



QuintonMcLeod said:
MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

I think you missed my point. So, I'm gonna give up. You're right, I'm wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.


No, no, please explain your point if you have one. I did somewhat agree with you that France has been bigger in some years than the UK. 


My point is that the UK is no longer #1. I'll concede that Germany may or may not be tied with the UK, if not, lower by a small numbers. However, France is on fire in Europe. Even with that said, no one talks about France or Germany. It's always about the UK. I find that odd.

Well I somewhat I agree. France and the UK have been very close since 2012 and France has sold a higher amounnt once. However, lets look at the sales of 7th gen consoles using VGC numbers (although they aren't the most accurate, they can give a general idea of sales):

  UK France
Wii 8,642,483 6,253,820
360 8,892,255 3,518,435
PS3 5,920,189 5,186,872
Total
23,454,927
14,959,127

You can see that 7th gen consoles sold much more in the UK compared to France. Moreover, the reason why UK sales slowed after 2012 was because the market probbaly got saturated with 7th gen consoles. 

So whilst I agree that France and the UK have been close in terms of console sales after 2011, the reason was because most of the console sales in the UK occured in the first half of the generation. I hope this convinces you that the UK is still the largest console market in Europe, because I put a little bit of effort into it



    

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MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
MoHasanie said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

I think you missed my point. So, I'm gonna give up. You're right, I'm wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.


No, no, please explain your point if you have one. I did somewhat agree with you that France has been bigger in some years than the UK. 


My point is that the UK is no longer #1. I'll concede that Germany may or may not be tied with the UK, if not, lower by a small numbers. However, France is on fire in Europe. Even with that said, no one talks about France or Germany. It's always about the UK. I find that odd.

Well I somewhat I agree. France and the UK have been very close since 2012 and France has sold a higher amounnt once. However, lets look at the sales of 7th gen consoles using VGC numbers (although they aren't the most accurate, they can give a general idea of sales):

  UK France
Wii 8,642,483 6,253,820
360 8,892,255 3,518,435
PS3 5,920,189 5,186,872
Total
23,454,927
14,959,127

You can see that 7th gen consoles sold much more in the UK compared to France. Moreover, the reason why UK sales slowed after 2012 was because the market probbaly got saturated with 7th gen consoles. 

So whilst I agree that France and the UK have been close in terms of console sales after 2011, the reason was because most of the console sales in the UK occured in the first half of the generation. I hope this convinces you that the UK is still the largest console market in Europe, because I put a little bit of effort into it


But you're using 7th gen numbers. This would be data going all the way back to 2006. I'm talking about data going from 2010 forward. The transition from 7th gen to 8th gen brought about a serious decline in video game revenue in the UK. Places such as France and Germany are becoming more relevant.

Using VGC is fine for unit sales, but for revenue, you gotta look at legit sources. I gave you a source and you didn't like it. So, I asked you to provide me a source and you gave me a reasonable one, but it didn't have France's numbers. I have a feeling that you're seeing what I'm saying, but refuse to acknowledge it.