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I felt the PS4 had won at E3 2013, when MS showed their hand and told me to not be an early adopter to their machine. I felt it even more once I got my PS4 and realized just how awesome a gaming machine it is in every area that matters to me as a gamer.

I can't imagine the word of mouth on PS4 being anything but positive from actual early adopters and that is what fuels the momentum of success that it has been enjoying. Once the market knows it is the best machine, they also know it will have the best future.

The XBO will have to make right many wrongs, and now the only way they can really compete and stay relevant is through exclusive AAA games, which has never been a strong suit for MS outside of the shooter genre.



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bigjon said:
JayWood2010 said:
KLXVER said:
PS4 - 3.76M
XB1 - 3.13M

Yep, impossible...lol


This about sums it up xD lol

@OP  Maybe PS4 will win, its certainly has a lot of hype to run with as well as being slightly more powerful.  Then again Microsoft has been securing a lot of big exclusives.  There is also this small game called Halo.....

But yes, PS4 may win, it may not but this thread seems a little premature to rule out either one lol

I have a feeling Halo will not viewed as much of an exclusive now the company that made the good Halos is putting out a game called destiny.... Will people who have XB1 get it, yes most definitly. People on the fence? I can many other them being happy with Destiny which could end up being better than Halo in just about every way.

Halo 4 has not been done by Bungie and it was one of the best Halo. I think a lot of people have this misconception that Halo fans are Bungie fans... They are not... They are Halo fans for the majority...

And Destiny is an MMO like game, if you played the beta you can see that apart of cutscene the immersion is not as close as Halo for the campaign for instance. While the gameplay is, I give you that, very similar.

Destiny is just another FPS with a another story and some other gameplay mecanism. The hype comes mainly from the Playstation users would never experienced that kind of gameplay (Halo like) but certainly not because of Destiny story/single players (as what we see so far is okay but certainly up to the level of Halo/Uncharted for instance). Another source of hype is that we have no other game in the vicinity (MMC is 2 months later). (I'm hyped by the way, I want to be clear on that :))

Halo 5 is going to come out a year later, with some great innovations too and will generate as much hype if not more for the Xbox community, I can garantee you that.



Imaginedvl said:
bigjon said:
JayWood2010 said:
KLXVER said:
PS4 - 3.76M
XB1 - 3.13M

Yep, impossible...lol


This about sums it up xD lol

@OP  Maybe PS4 will win, its certainly has a lot of hype to run with as well as being slightly more powerful.  Then again Microsoft has been securing a lot of big exclusives.  There is also this small game called Halo.....

But yes, PS4 may win, it may not but this thread seems a little premature to rule out either one lol

I have a feeling Halo will not viewed as much of an exclusive now the company that made the good Halos is putting out a game called destiny.... Will people who have XB1 get it, yes most definitly. People on the fence? I can many other them being happy with Destiny which could end up being better than Halo in just about every way.

Halo 4 has not been done by Bungie and it was one of the best Halo. I think a lot of people have this misconception that Halo fans are Bungie fans... They are not... They are Halo fans for the majority...

And Destiny is an MMO like game, if you played the beta you can see that apart of cutscene the immersion is not as close as Halo for the campaign for instance. While the gameplay is, I give you that, very similar.

Destiny is just another FPS with a another story and some other gameplay mecanism. The hype comes mainly from the Playstation users would never experienced that kind of gameplay (Halo like) but certainly not because of Destiny story/single players (as what we see so far is okay but certainly up to the level of Halo/Uncharted for instance). Another source of hype is that we have no other game in the vicinity (MMC is 2 months later). (I'm hyped by the way, I want to be clear on that :))

Halo 5 is going to come out a year later, with some great innovations too and will generate as much hype if not more for the Xbox community, I can garantee you that.

ok. fine, I was just going by metacritic which rates Halo 4 at a 87 (with some oddball score scewing it, so its would likely be a 89 or so without it). The only Halo that has scored less is ODST. Halo w/ 97, Halo 2 with 95. 3 w/ 94 and reach has 92. So while you says its one of best reviewers and generally word of mouth say its worst of mainline games.

So its just Sony fans hyping it it huh? How bout this, its just Xbox/Halo fans trying to downplay it because they dont want it to make people not care about Halo as much (Trying to avoid Halo KIller, because it wont "kill" it), things is Destiny is projecting to sell in week one as much as Halo 3 did in its 1st year.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

ohmylanta1003 said:
The gen just started. You need to give it more time. This is going to be a 7 year generation. Anything can happen.


What could happen?  I am not saying it is set in stone that the X1 can't catch up in the US, but what could they possibly do?

 

If they drop the price, PS4 can follow since it costs the same amount of money to make...



Unless there is a clear cut dramatic win for Sony during the holiday. We will have to keep speculating. Even last gen it took a long time for many to accept the 360 beat the PS3 in America. A lot longer time into last gen then the current time the PS4 and Bone have been out.

We will see threads like this far into the future for sure.



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Shadow1980 said:

For the first six months of this year, the PS4 sold 1,592,000 units while the XBO sold 1,100,000 in the U.S according to NPD. That means the PS4 has outsold the XBO by 44.7%. Every month the PS4 outsells the XBO, the wider the numerical gap becomes and the harder it will be for the XBO to come out on top. Halo will provide a short-term boost at best, as individual titles rarely boost sales longer than a few weeks. The XBO could conceivably win in the months Halo 5 & 6 are released, but two monthly victories will be meaningless small victories in the sales war. The only thing that can stimulate sales on the long term is an actual price cut. If the XBO is reduced to $300 and Sony doesn't answer back with a price cut of their own, they stand a chance of closing the gap. However, I doubt Sony will go without a price cut of their own for long, plus I doubt MS will cut into the XBO's profitability so they aren't going to issue a price cut anytime soon. Maybe sometime next year, but not within the next few months. If the PS4 and XBO stay at price parity with each other for this whole generation, which is likely, then there is no conceivable stimulative factor that will propel the XBO ahead of the PS4.

Lost momentum is very hard to overcome, and it's extremely rare for a system that's trailing that far behind to mount a comeback and win. In fact, I don't think there's ever been an occasion where one system was starting off being outsold by its competitor by a 3:2 margin on average and was able to come back and win. The PS1 was trailing the N64 only slightly for the latter's first year on the market, but it took off like a rocket after FFVII came out, plus it already had a year's head start over the N64. The 360 edged out the Wii in the States, but it took it until 2013 to accomplish that task and it did so only because the Wii had weak legs, plus it's worth pointing out that the Wii and 360 were very different systems, whereas the only thing differentiating the PS4 and XBO are their exclusives, which amount to some 10% of their game libraries (the majority of the PS1 and N64 libraries were exclusives).

I'm sorry, but everything we know about the history of game sales in America suggests the odds of the XBO ever taking first place in lifetime sales or even consistently placing first in monthly sales are almost nil. There's always a slight chance, but if I were a gambling man I'd bet all my chips on Sony in this horse race. Had MS released a Kinect-less XBO SKU at launch, we might not be having this conversation, but waiting seven months to release it is too little, too late. But if it's any consolation, at least the XBO will do better here than any other region, and by time the final eighth-gen sales are tallied the PS4 might just barely obtain a majority, as opposed to the PS1 & PS2 which had 60+% supermajorities. I'm thinking a roughly 53%/35%/12% split for the PS4, XBO, and Wii U. Numerically, I think the XBO will likely land somewhere between the PS3 and NES in the U.S., which ain't half bad. It'd be second place, but a decent second place, and not what I'd call a "failure." Of course, Europe (sans UK) and Japan are already a lost cause for MS, and that's where it's going to hurt them.

People seem to forget that despite the launch of the Kinectless SKU, the X1 still could not break 200k. And considering those sales include the launch, its baseline sales will be lower than that. Actually, weekly sales from May NPD were higher than weekly sales from June NPD. Really scary...



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Nope. Xbox one will surpass it. Make my words....it will surpass it. Xbox one just went down in price a month ago but the truth is that the ps4 has been cheaper ever since it released. Of course that gave it aa huge boost but that price is just recently finally gone.



bigjon said:
Imaginedvl said:

Halo 4 has not been done by Bungie and it was one of the best Halo. I think a lot of people have this misconception that Halo fans are Bungie fans... They are not... They are Halo fans for the majority...

And Destiny is an MMO like game, if you played the beta you can see that apart of cutscene the immersion is not as close as Halo for the campaign for instance. While the gameplay is, I give you that, very similar.

Destiny is just another FPS with a another story and some other gameplay mecanism. The hype comes mainly from the Playstation users would never experienced that kind of gameplay (Halo like) but certainly not because of Destiny story/single players (as what we see so far is okay but certainly up to the level of Halo/Uncharted for instance). Another source of hype is that we have no other game in the vicinity (MMC is 2 months later). (I'm hyped by the way, I want to be clear on that :))

Halo 5 is going to come out a year later, with some great innovations too and will generate as much hype if not more for the Xbox community, I can garantee you that.

ok. fine, I was just going by metacritic which rates Halo 4 at a 87 (with some oddball score scewing it, so its would likely be a 89 or so without it). The only Halo that has scored less is ODST. Halo w/ 97, Halo 2 with 95. 3 w/ 94 and reach has 92. So while you says its one of best reviewers and generally word of mouth say its worst of mainline games.

So its just Sony fans hyping it it huh? How bout this, its just Xbox/Halo fans trying to downplay it because they dont want it to make people not care about Halo as much (Trying to avoid Halo KIller, because it wont "kill" it), things is Destiny is projecting to sell in week one as much as Halo 3 did in its 1st year.

And how bout this: you stop trying to transform this into a PS vs Xbox and try to undertand what I said.

First of all: mainly != only...

Second, I'm waiting for this game and I'm a buge Halo fan, but the hype about this being a NEW Halo/COD killer is definetly coming "mainly" from Playstation enthousiasts (esp. on these forums) and I'm not really going to elaborate on that if you cannot comprehend why....

Finally, it is a new IP, it will sell very well etc... And because it is multi-platform, it will even certainly sell better.

Destiny will be a AAA game, will sell like hot cakes and I will be the first one to love it. But it does mean it is going to relegate Halo to a second rank in term of big exclusive like you said.



Fusioncode said:

Wait for Halo? 

Let's do that.