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TheLastStarFighter said:
Communism does not = dictatorship, but there is a connection there. As we have seen in several European countries, a large public service can lead to an unworkable society. In my own Canada I worked briefly for the Federal Government. At work I would frequently receive anti-Stephen Harper (the Conservative Prime Minister) propaganda because he was not considered pro-public service. He wasn't necessarily bad for workers, but the other parties are essentially controlled by public service unions such as teachers, nurses, etc. When this happens , the government can expand the public service to the point where it forms a large enough voting block that it can determine the outcome of elections. At this point you have effectively a public service ruling class that decides its own leader, who in turn decides the worker benefits and so on, in an endless cycle of eventual doom.

1. absolutely not related to communism or socialism - unions are not exclusive to the public sector - and how is their influence anti-democratic ?

2. if you raise the broader question of influence on gvt you should maybe mention corporate funding and general lobbying which on the other hand are clearly undemocratic

 



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It will never work. It is against human nature on its broadest sense. And by that I mean not only the way our instincts and cognitive processes often point us against seeing and willing ourselves equal to everyone else, but our very genetic differentiation will ensure that we and our achievements are always dissonant compared to our peers.

The closest we have ever been to communism was either bloody dictatorships ruled by extremists, or a few scandinavian countries whose low, stagnating homogeneous populations, international neutrality and vast quantities of untapped natural resources allowed them to implement social democracies without a significant detrimental effect to their progress during the 20th century...

There is something we can borrow from the so-called communist doctrines to fix capitalism's greatest problems though - its lust for endless progress and resource consumption, and the absurd levels of wealth disparity we are set to reach, the largest in the entire history of mankind.



 

 

 

 

 

Many problems with both systems (Communism and capitalism) often stem from corruption. Peoples self interest always seems to mess up the societies well intentioned people advocate.

Democratic societies do have a far better (Though still not perfect) record on openness and transparency though, as well as some limited degree of accountability, and that's the best way of tackling the issue of corruption.



haxxiy said:

It will never work. It is against human nature on its broadest sense. And by that I mean not only the way our instincts and cognitive processes often point us against seeing and willing ourselves equal to everyone else, but our very genetic differentiation will ensure that we and our achievements are always dissonant compared to our peers.

The closest we have ever been to communism was either bloody dictatorships ruled by extremists, or a few scandinavian countries whose low, stagnating homogeneous populations, international neutrality and vast quantities of untapped natural resources allowed them to implement social democracies without a significant detrimental effect to their progress during the 20th century...

There is something we can borrow from the so-called communist doctrines to fix capitalism's greatest problems though - its lust for endless progress and resource consumption, and the absurd levels of wealth disparity we are set to reach, the largest in the entire history of mankind.



I don't think it's fundamentally against our nature to live in a world without personal property. But it is against our culture and would be painful to adapt to. Other socialites have had very different ideas of property. A nomadic tribal culture may have no notion of land ownership for example.

Notions of equality wasn't something Marx was the first to come up with. But he realised the relatively peaceful union movement could be manipulated into becoming a violent revolutionary movement. This is why his ideas succeeded beyond being just another idealistic pipe dream that nobody heard or cared about. He had a strategy for revolution. But this is also why violent people gained power in his name.



Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.



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Blouge said:
""labor" is going to become insanely cheap and abundant due to the proliferation of robots/machines" - Mr. Khan

This is sheer nonsense. See von Mises:

"Our world is different. Labor is more scarce than material factors of production... there are material factors of production which remain unused because the labor required is needed for the satisfaction of more urgent needs. In our world there is no abundance, but a shortage of manpower, and there are unused material factors of production, i.e. land, mineral deposits, and even plants and equipment."

Then explain the slack in the labor market. Weak wages and stubborn unemployment levels, but not diminishing productivity or profits.

If labor were scarce, we'd never have to worry about capitalism because the laws of supply and demand would mean *everyone* got paid well.



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Blouge said:
"How on Earth does having taxes pay for healthcare advocate violence?" - BraveNewWorld

How do you propose to collect taxes from others? Send them a letter asking nicely?


That's the price you have to pay in other to be a part of the society. Unless of course you live in a utopian communist society.



The idea of communism is nice, but it tends to fail in practice due to human nature.



I think it can work better on a smaller scale. Like a group of 30 people shipwrecked on an island with no way of getting off. For a large country though? Terrible idea.



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Communism = Utopia