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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 July 2014
VanceIX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yeah, thanks to Sony you can buy used.  End of story. :)

Mmk

If you're in denial look at last years E3 and all of the reports. Its called "Sony dropping the mic on Microsoft". Wont be hard to find when you see someone teaching MS a lesson.



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nitekrawler1285 on 30 July 2014
VanceIX said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

Cause GwG games are really old.  Outside of PS3 most of PS+ is indies which are cheap.  Give those services 5-7 or so years. It took years to train mobile owners to no longer outright pay for the games.  If publishers want to train console customers as well it might take more years as the roof was much higher in the first place.    

Let's completely ignore the impact that Digital has had on every entertainment industry and think that wont apply to games.  Especially not with these types of services.  

As a consumer looking for instant gratification this is good for you. For me this is not.  Do not tell me that digital hasn't already affected the types of games that even get to retail and effect my ability to purchase them because it already has.  Look at Vita.  

 

Vita is a horrible example. Retail games aren't available for Vita since it is a failed console, and this comes from a hardcore Vita owner. Digital has nothing to do with the downfall of retail games on Vita.

And GwG has had some great games recently (Dishonored for next month). And it took no time at all to train mobile users to get games for free, since games were pretty much always free. 

And digital has been a boon for the entertainment industry. Without digital, we wouldn't have Netflix, Kindle, or Steam, all of which are in most ways superior to their physical counterparts.

Same with any console.  I can't go buy a copy of Rogue Legacy, Mercenary Kings, BroForce, Towerfall: Ascnencion any platform physically.  I can't get physical copies of games that play like that anymore.  They haven't risked physical releases  of low and mid tier content.  Those games are digital only.  This digital trend has already affected my ability to purchase the kinds of games I want in the way I want to purchase them. So please stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Just 1 or 2 months shy of it's 2 year anniversary Dishonored is old news.  It took 3 years to train mobile market to prefer free.  Appstore opned July 10, 2008 and the following article is dated July 7th 2011 http://www.flurry.com/bid/65656/Free-to-play-Revenue-Overtakes-Premium-Revenue-in-the-App-Store#.U9kth_ldV_A  Probably only happened so fast because the floor or ceiling on app prices never were as huge as with console games.  

I loathe Steam and don't think it's better at all.  Yes I have a steam account. If kindle had the kinds of books I read that might be a useful argument with their cool digital lending policy and everything.  I can only give you that Netflix is better than cable for me personally of your trio and that's only because of their investments in premium content on top of their mass of other not so good stuff as of late.   Even you said it's superior in MOST ways. I've already ceded it's great for you or others.  I'm a customer that cares about more than upfrong cost and convenience and this isn't for me even though it does indeed affect me as it will affect the type of content made in the future.  



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 July 2014
adriane23 said:
If they include their yearly sports games a soon as they release (or even a month later), this will be an amazing service.

EA will probably fuck this up though.

It will be the games from the year before, which makes no sense because most sports fans want the most up to date model. If EA hadn't started the annualized game model this would not have been a problem. Any competitive gamer wants the most up to date model day one or at least close to it.



VanceIX on 30 July 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VanceIX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yeah, thanks to Sony you can buy used.  End of story. :)

Mmk

If you're in denial look at last years E3 and all of the reports. Its called "Sony dropping the mic on Microsoft". Wont be hard to find when you see someone teaching MS a lesson.

I actually have a PS4 and not an Xbox One, but if you followed the news then you would realize that discs could still be sold. You could even share games with friends through a family sharing service.

Some parts I didn't agree with, like internet checks and mandatory Kinect, which pushed me to go PlayStation instead of Xbox, but the used game policy was not one of them. To each his own though.



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KLXVER on 30 July 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VanceIX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yeah, thanks to Sony you can buy used.  End of story. :)

Mmk

If you're in denial look at last years E3 and all of the reports. Its called "Sony dropping the mic on Microsoft". Wont be hard to find when you see someone teaching MS a lesson.


Nintendo did the same thing a year earlier. They just didnt brag about it...



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Burek on 30 July 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
adriane23 said:
If they include their yearly sports games a soon as they release (or even a month later), this will be an amazing service.

EA will probably fuck this up though.

It will be the games from the year before, which makes no sense because most sports fans want the most up to date model. If EA hadn't started the annualized game model this would not have been a problem. Any competitive gamer wants the most up to date model day one or at least close to it.

You do realize that EA publishes many more games other than sports. Most of which are perfectly playable 9-12 months after release. Perhaps this is not for a "competitive" gamer, but to many others that just enjoy playing EA games.

Also, there are other benefits other than older games, such as discounts on games and other content, early access to new games etc. 

If a person dislikes EA games, this is not for them, but unfortunately for myself and many others, many will not have a chance because Sony knows what's best for us.



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 July 2014
VanceIX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

I actually have a PS4 and not an Xbox One, but if you followed the news then you would realize that discs could still be sold. You could even share games with friends through a family sharing service.

Some parts I didn't agree with, like internet checks and mandatory Kinect, which pushed me to go PlayStation instead of Xbox, but the used game policy was not one of them. To each his own though.


No...not at all. You have it wrong. MS was going to pay wall used games. You could not borrow your friends games nor buy them used freely. If you wanted to play a friends game you have to go to their house. The sharing was implemented so you could share with anyone in the house. This was MS idea of paying people back for paywalling used games when they know gamers today are mostly dependent on it. If this was a mistake, Gamestops stock price would've never dropped when MS was called out about it. MS never revealed this themselves largely to the media. One journalist spoke to an MS employee and he admitted all fo the facts and the internet blew up some time after MS revealed the Xbox One to a less than mild reaction because of its lack of focus on games.  Even  before  that Microsoft never said a word to anyone about the DRM until the Adam Orth fiasco about always online. MS fired Adam Orth and disassociated themselves from him to save face for the sake of PR when he was arguing with the fans about DRM. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 July 2014
KLXVER said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

If you're in denial look at last years E3 and all of the reports. Its called "Sony dropping the mic on Microsoft". Wont be hard to find when you see someone teaching MS a lesson.


Nintendo did the same thing a year earlier. They just didnt brag about it...


 I applaud them for that. We don't have to deal with licensing issues with them either.



irstupid on 30 July 2014
nitekrawler1285 said:
VanceIX said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
This sounds like a ploy to co opt used game sales to me. They just want that piece of the pie from Gamestop too.

How so? It's not like EA has stopped making physical games. They are just giving a discount for those who purchase the subscription, along with access to some older games. It's a great deal, no matter how you look at it. If Gamestop wants to compete, they can start by price matching like almost every other retailer. 


This will instantly lower the value of the physical games.  Why would you buy A used EA physical copy game now?  You can get ALL of them for $30.  This deal is only there to give them that "second hand" revenue at the expense of their own games value and anyone else's ability to get a piece of that pie.  

If your context is what is that you want the value of software to remain high then this is not a deal.  It's a cheap death to content rich games for the future.  It's why you can't hardly find such games on mobile. They call the games Free to Play but it came with a huge price for all future software on the platform.  

NETFLIX

Pretty sure DVD/Blu Ray still sell at full retail price.  The fact that the movie will be on Netflix or the many other video streaming sites doesn't lower the $20 price tag or whatever retail dvd/blu ray go for these days.  



nitekrawler1285 on 31 July 2014
irstupid said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
VanceIX said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
This sounds like a ploy to co opt used game sales to me. They just want that piece of the pie from Gamestop too.

How so? It's not like EA has stopped making physical games. They are just giving a discount for those who purchase the subscription, along with access to some older games. It's a great deal, no matter how you look at it. If Gamestop wants to compete, they can start by price matching like almost every other retailer. 


This will instantly lower the value of the physical games.  Why would you buy A used EA physical copy game now?  You can get ALL of them for $30.  This deal is only there to give them that "second hand" revenue at the expense of their own games value and anyone else's ability to get a piece of that pie.  

If your context is what is that you want the value of software to remain high then this is not a deal.  It's a cheap death to content rich games for the future.  It's why you can't hardly find such games on mobile. They call the games Free to Play but it came with a huge price for all future software on the platform.  

NETFLIX

Pretty sure DVD/Blu Ray still sell at full retail price.  The fact that the movie will be on Netflix or the many other video streaming sites doesn't lower the $20 price tag or whatever retail dvd/blu ray go for these days.  

The MSRP might be the same initially but they aren't selling as many. So even if MSRP is the same their value to consumers is lower because of other options.  Same price does not necessarily equal the same value.  

http://www.cnet.com/news/is-dvd-movie-pricing-holding-blu-ray-back/

http://business.time.com/2011/08/09/are-consumers-over-buying-dvds/

Or you can look google image search dvd decline for some handy graphs if that is too much reading for you. 

http://hollyquant.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/dvd-sales-and-revenue-2007-2012.jpg

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2010-05/dvd_bd_sales_2009_2013_sa_q2_2010.png