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Wii 132 34.74%
 
PS2 248 65.26%
 
Total:380
TheLastStarFighter said:
DerNebel said:

Sidetracking, yeah right...

The PS2 is extremely relevant to this, do you seriously believe that the PS1 would have dropped 50% in FY00 had the PS2 not been available? Also your "people went the Wii from to PS360" point as a reason for the Wiis drop is ridiculously weak, the Wii was always aimed at a completely different audience from the PS360.


I'm just glad you agree that PS1 and Wii have very similar sales curves, with Wii having about 10 million more units sold in year 2-3 and PS1 having about that same number sold extra from year 8 onward.  But about 94% of sales are virtually identical.  You show me stats that Wii owners and PS360 owners are mutually exclusive, and I will agree with you.

Further, as of August 2008 19% of American PS2 owners had purchased a Wii, 18% had purchased a 360 and 10% had a PS3 according to NDP.  In case you're bad at math, that means that around 10 million of the 15 million Wii owners (66%) at that time had come from a PS2 background.  You can continue to live in a dream world where you think most gamers are devoutees to a particular brand, that PS360 and Wii buyers are seperate entities and that the main people who picked up a Wii were soccer moms and grandparents, but the truth is the mass market of gaming is regular people who have little brand attachment and want the latest thing.  Those people loved the Wii when it was flashy and new, just like they loved PS2 when everyone had one.  Those same people picked up PS360's when the price came down, COD became the rage and HDTV became affordable.  Most of those people also haven't picked up an 8th gen system yet, with nothing really grabbing the public's attention fully.

We don't. You even described yourself how different the sales curves were, the PS1 sold 10 million systems after year 8, the Wii will be lucky to sell maybe 2 million more after that year. Also how about you prove your theory to me, that the same people that loved the PS2 later went to the Wii and then to the PS3/360, I mean you do realize that it's a widely accepted fact that the Wiis success was largely thanks to the system opening new markets, right?

And regarding that study, which is probably as accurate as the one that suggest that almost 50% of PS4 owners never owned a PS3, if you want to be a smartass and use math on me, you should at the very least be able to check the right numbers. As of August 2008 the PS2 had sold 42.5 million units in the US, meaning that about 8 million of the about 12 million Wiis in the US had come from PS2...you know, in case you're bad at math.

Finally this has nothing to do with brand allegiance it is a simple matter of appeal, the Wiis library was entirely different from the PS2s or PS3/360, why would the same person go from GTA San Andreas on PS2 to Wii Fit on Wii to Cod on PS3/360? And why would that happen in large percentages? You scream mass market here, mass market there, but the fact is that the mass market is not just one huge group of people with a hivemind that can be swayed, there are always different segments in every market. The soccer moms or grandparents that, you can deny that as long as you want, made up a huge part of the Wiis audience, didn't suddenly realize that they need some more FPS's in their life and thus went and bought a PS3/360, that's ridiculous.



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ErwinMoC said:
The Wii was a fun toy for some days, then it became a dust collecter.


Yep. I don' know one person who plays their wii regularly, and my family's wii hasn't been on for at least 3 years. The only time use a wii is with my friends, and we're usually playing SSB melee (we like it more than brawl) or mario super strikers. 



DerNebel said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
DerNebel said:

Sidetracking, yeah right...

The PS2 is extremely relevant to this, do you seriously believe that the PS1 would have dropped 50% in FY00 had the PS2 not been available? Also your "people went the Wii from to PS360" point as a reason for the Wiis drop is ridiculously weak, the Wii was always aimed at a completely different audience from the PS360.


I'm just glad you agree that PS1 and Wii have very similar sales curves, with Wii having about 10 million more units sold in year 2-3 and PS1 having about that same number sold extra from year 8 onward.  But about 94% of sales are virtually identical.  You show me stats that Wii owners and PS360 owners are mutually exclusive, and I will agree with you.

Further, as of August 2008 19% of American PS2 owners had purchased a Wii, 18% had purchased a 360 and 10% had a PS3 according to NDP.  In case you're bad at math, that means that around 10 million of the 15 million Wii owners (66%) at that time had come from a PS2 background.  You can continue to live in a dream world where you think most gamers are devoutees to a particular brand, that PS360 and Wii buyers are seperate entities and that the main people who picked up a Wii were soccer moms and grandparents, but the truth is the mass market of gaming is regular people who have little brand attachment and want the latest thing.  Those people loved the Wii when it was flashy and new, just like they loved PS2 when everyone had one.  Those same people picked up PS360's when the price came down, COD became the rage and HDTV became affordable.  Most of those people also haven't picked up an 8th gen system yet, with nothing really grabbing the public's attention fully.

We don't. You even described yourself how different the sales curves were, the PS1 sold 10 million systems after year 8, the Wii will be lucky to sell maybe 2 million more after that year. Also how about you prove your theory to me, that the same people that loved the PS2 later went to the Wii and then to the PS3/360, I mean you do realize that it's a widely accepted fact that the Wiis success was largely thanks to the system opening new markets, right?

And regarding that study, which is probably as accurate as the one that suggest that almost 50% of PS4 owners never owned a PS3, if you want to be a smartass and use math on me, you should at the very least be able to check the right numbers. As of August 2008 the PS2 had sold 42.5 million units in the US, meaning that about 8 million of the about 12 million Wiis in the US had come from PS2...you know, in case you're bad at math.

Finally this has nothing to do with brand allegiance it is a simple matter of appeal, the Wiis library was entirely different from the PS2s or PS3/360, why would the same person go from GTA San Andreas on PS2 to Wii Fit on Wii to Cod on PS3/360? And why would that happen in large percentages? You scream mass market here, mass market there, but the fact is that the mass market is not just one huge group of people with a hivemind that can be swayed, there are always different segments in every market. The soccer moms or grandparents that, you can deny that as long as you want, made up a huge part of the Wiis audience, didn't suddenly realize that they need some more FPS's in their life and thus went and bought a PS3/360, that's ridiculous.

lmao, this just keeps getting better.  BTW, 8/12 is still 66%. That calculation is the "math" part.  lol.  I guess you weren't alive during the Wii craze.  It was gamers that were driving it.  And yes, many of the people who love COD right now were wowed by Wii Sports back then.  Even many of the bashers of Wii in this thread are saying they bought it and it sat there and collected dust...but they still bought it and since their on this site I assume they are gamers and likely owners of a non-Nintendo system.

And my main point remains the same.  The sales path of PS1 and Wii are 95% exactly the same.  If you consider 95% the same to be nothing alike...there truly is no hope for you and you are blind to facts.



TheLastStarFighter said:

lmao, this just keeps getting better.  BTW, 8/12 is still 66%. That calculation is the "math" part.  lol.  I guess you weren't alive during the Wii craze.  It was gamers that were driving it.  And yes, many of the people who love COD right now were wowed by Wii Sports back then.  Even many of the bashers of Wii in this thread are saying they bought it and it sat there and collected dust...but they still bought it and since their on this site I assume they are gamers and likely owners of a non-Nintendo system.

And my main point remains the same.  The sales path of PS1 and Wii are 95% exactly the same.  If you consider 95% the same to be nothing alike...there truly is no hope for you and you are blind to facts.

Being able to find the right numbers to use is also a part of math, buddy. Oh and it was the gamers that were driving it, of course, I suppose you can prove that can't you? All those articles that say that the success of the Wii can be attributed to the casuals, families, kids etc. are all rubbish, no LastStarFighter says it was the gamers, well fuck that must be right. I mean I don't know a single Wii owner that considers himself a gamer but hey, if you say that's it then that has to be the case.

And your argument is so great, people in this thread are saying they bought a Wii, wow that must mean that the majority of gamers bought a Wii and then went from the Wii to the PS3/360, it couldn't be that the people on forums like this are the people that are way more likely to own multiple consoles anyway (btw. I never claimed that there were no core gamers on the Wii).

And you know what's really funny, I just looked at your graphs again and do you realize that the first bar in the PS1 diagram equals the first 2 fiscal years of the consoles life? Huh, that kinda destroys your whole point doesn't it? Damn. So at the point in its life where the Wii had already shipped 85% of its lifetime sales the PS1 had only just shipped over 50%? Gee.

Now it's up to you how you want to look at it, either we add the first 2 fiscal years of the Wii together as well

Or we split up the first 2 fiscal years of the PS1

Either way, the PS1 and Wii did not have remotely similar sales curves and the PS1 had a decidedly longer life. Discussion over.



DerNebel said:

" I mean I don't know a single Wii owner that considers himself a gamer but hey, if you say that's it then that has to be the case."

"And your argument is so great, people in this thread are saying they bought a Wii, wow that must mean that the majority of gamers bought a Wii and then went from the Wii to the PS3/360, it couldn't be that the people on forums like this are the people that are way more likely to own multiple consoles anyway (btw. I never claimed that there were no core gamers on the Wii)."

You are truly hilarious to have a discussion with.  You do half of the arguing with yourself.  Keep coming with the comments though, they are truly entertaining.

By the way, PS1 didn't launch worldwide until late '95.  That's why any logical person combines year one and two.  The PS1 only had a limited Japan launch in December '94 with total sales that are literally statistically irrelevant, so including it on its own is silly.  Go by worldwide launch years (as vgsales wiki logically did) and the sales curves are 95% similar.

But hey, if you want to keep arguing and try to convince someone that the majority of Wii owners weren't gamers, that it was much more of a fad than PS1, that a person who plays Wii Sports would never play COD and other baseless comments, by all means keep agruing with yourself.  You may even be able to convince you that you are right.



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gcube2000 said:
ErwinMoC said:
The Wii was a fun toy for some days, then it became a dust collecter.


True... it collects dust while I play my GameCube or Wii U.


Funny, I never bothered to repair my gamecube because the Wii is backward compatible. While I mainly play my Wii U now, I still play the Wii because despite all the shovelware and causal games, I haven't beaten all the core games I want to on Wii yet



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TheLastStarFighter said:
DerNebel said:

" I mean I don't know a single Wii owner that considers himself a gamer but hey, if you say that's it then that has to be the case."

"And your argument is so great, people in this thread are saying they bought a Wii, wow that must mean that the majority of gamers bought a Wii and then went from the Wii to the PS3/360, it couldn't be that the people on forums like this are the people that are way more likely to own multiple consoles anyway (btw. I never claimed that there were no core gamers on the Wii)."

You are truly hilarious to have a discussion with.  You do half of the arguing with yourself.  Keep coming with the comments though, they are truly entertaining.

By the way, PS1 didn't launch worldwide until late '95.  That's why any logical person combines year one and two.  The PS1 only had a limited Japan launch in December '94 with total sales that are literally statistically irrelevant, so including it on its own is silly.  Go by worldwide launch years (as vgsales wiki logically did) and the sales curves are 95% similar.

But hey, if you want to keep arguing and try to convince someone that the majority of Wii owners weren't gamers, that it was much more of a fad than PS1, that a person who plays Wii Sports would never play COD and other baseless comments, by all means keep agruing with yourself.  You may even be able to convince you that you are right.

How utterly hilarious. No the sales curve are not 95% similar, give it up you are completely wrong with that. Japan made up nearly 50% of the PS1s shipments by August 96, so including the Japanese launch on its own is very much logical, after all people don't start counting PS3 sales starting March 2007 because that's when it became available in Europe or start counting PS4 sales starting in February because that's when it launched in Japan. The PS1 had only sold 1 million units after 9 months in the US and 500k after 4 months in Europe (just like the Wii right?), so Japan was the most important market for the system back then.

And even if it was logical to count the first fiscal year when the PS1 was available only in Japan and the second fiscal year as a single year, which it absolutely isn't, then there are still significant and very important differences between the 2 and if you choose to ignore those then you are "blind to the facts".

Cause as we're talking about the longevity of the systems here, you would have to willfully ignore the important years 7-10 which obviously show how much shorter the Wiis life is than the PS1s.



Turkish said:
gcube2000 said:

Now I know there's enough of these threads.. probably bust I'll make one.  So here it goes. The PS2 data is from Video Game Sales Wiki. Wii sales are from Nintendo.       I'll do by the end of each fiscal year. Also I believe PS2 1st FY ending was Japan only.

 

1st FY   PS2- (1.41) 1.41         Wii- (5.84) 5.84

2nd FY  PS2- (9.20) 10.61       Wii- (18.61) 24.45

3rd FY   PS2- (18.07) 28.68     Wii- (25.54) 50.39

4th FY   PS2- (22.52) 51.20     Wii- (20.54) 70.93

5th FY   PS2- (20.10) 71.30     Wii- (15.08) 86.01

6th FY   PS2- (16.17) 87.47     Wii- (9.84) 95.85

7th FY   PS2- (16.22) 103.69   Wii- (3.99) 99.84

8th FY   PS2- (14.20) 117.89   Wii- (1.22) 101.06

 

Wii fell behind PS2 by having terrible legs. PS2 went to sell 155m units while Wii probably won't even hit 102m.


Yeah Wii won't even reach PS1 numbers. Funny because in 2007 Ninty fans claimed it would sell 200 million.

really? wow that's insane that they said that. even im a nintendo fan and I wouldn't be that crazy to predict such a number.



gcube2000 said:

really? wow that's insane that they said that. even im a nintendo fan and I wouldn't be that crazy to predict such a number.


No Nintendo fan did.   John Lucas made such a prediction and we all (Nintendo fans included) thought he was nuts.



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Raziel123 said:
PS2 4 Life