By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
 

Which do you like more?

Wii 132 34.74%
 
PS2 248 65.26%
 
Total:380
binary solo said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Wii didn't have terrible legs so much as PS2 had really good ones. Wii's life was much like PS1's and other gen leaders before. Gen 7 was like two gens, where first people jumped from PS2 to Wii and then from Wii to PS360 when they (and HDTV's) became cheaper.

I don't think so. Wii grabbed an entirely new audience for the most part. I reckon Wii's install base is lodskool Nintendo fans (~25 million), blue bcean one generation wonders (~65 million), PS2 owners (~10 million) Xbox owners (~2 million). PS360 more or less shared the PS2box user base equally, with that 12 million who went to Wii going back to PS360 late in the generation, and some of the blue ocean going to 360 when Kinect because the new casual craze, in the USA.

You're getting very specific with numbers despite having nothing to base it on.  There certainly were some blue ocean people who picked up Wii's, but the ridiculously high sales of games like MKWii, NSMBWii and other classic style games - along with the major hype in the gaming community that existed during Wii's launch (remember the long lines at e3 2006?) and the slow early sales of PS360 tells me that the bulk of Wii's success came from the "mass market" portion of the gaming community.  People that grew up with NES or SNES but moved on to PS2's decided to give the more adult, sleek and high-tech looking Wii a try after skipping the purple gamecube.  Nostalgia was big in pushing Wii, and Nintendo was ahead of the curve with online service and the Virtual Console was a big selling point for these displaced older Nintendo fans.  But once homes got HDTV's and cool titles from 3rd parties (like COD and GTA) were only available on PS360, those same consumers began to pick up a new, more powerful console.  Those same consumers were also slow to look at Wii U as a worthwile update to their PS360.

This is what I've observed en masse in my part of Canada and it makes perfect sense.  Those that say the bulk of Wii owners were nursing home folks who bought it for Wii Sports have nothing to support this.  Wii's attach rate was similar to other systems, with average consumers buying over 9 games while PS2, PS3 and 360 owners buy just over 10 games.  To me this suggests the portion of grandma's who bought Wii for Wii bowling was about 10%.



Around the Network
ivanthebike said:

Creed is a noun not a verb,use believe or think,it's much better

Thanks.



DerNebel said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Wrong.

PS1:

 

 

Their sales curves are almost identical.  Wii sold slightly quicker and peaked in year 3 instead of year 4.  But Wii's year 4 was the same as PS1's.  Year 5 was similar at 18 mil vs 15 mil.  Year 6 saw Wii sell 10 vs PS1's 9. Year 7 is similar.  It isn't until year 8 that PS1 gets much of an edge, and it lasts for about a year before it too dies.  So Wii and PS1 have almost the same sales curve with Wii having a bigger year 2 and 3 while PS1 maintained relevance for about 1 more year.

Yeah, you're ignoring a little something here: the PS2.

The Wii had sold 80% of its lifetime numbers at the end of 2010 (calendar year not fiscal) with its successor still 2 years of, the PS1 had shipped just over 70% of its lifetime numbers at the end of FY 99 when the PS2 was already out in Japan. The PS1 continued to sell 30 million more units with the PS2 already on the market, the Wii only managed to sell 20mil (not even 4mil since the launch of the Wii U) more even though the Wii U didn't come out for 2 more years.

Good job sidetracking.  So you agree that the PS1 and Wii have extremely similar sales lives?  The sales of Wii U and PS2 have nothing to do with it.  Further, as I've said in this thread, the successor to Wii from the mass-market perspective was the PS360.  Most consumers don't care about the brand.  They bought a Wii, then they bought a PS360 once they became cheaper and they had an HDTV making the systems worthwhile.  PS360 post-2010 has more practical relevance to Wii in the way that PS2 did to PS1 than Wii U ever had.



TheLastStarFighter said:
DerNebel said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Wii didn't have terrible legs so much as PS2 had really good ones. Wii's life was much like PS1's and other gen leaders before. Gen 7 was like two gens, where first people jumped from PS2 to Wii and then from Wii to PS360 when they (and HDTV's) became cheaper.

Yeah...not really, the PS1 sold for 10 years and still sold over 6 million in the same year in its life that the Wii is now in. Let's not act as if it was any different, the Wii did in fact have terrible legs.

Wrong.

PS1:

 

 

Their sales curves are almost identical.  Wii sold slightly quicker and peaked in year 3 instead of year 4.  But Wii's year 4 was the same as PS1's.  Year 5 was similar at 18 mil vs 15 mil.  Year 6 saw Wii sell 10 vs PS1's 9. Year 7 is similar.  It isn't until year 8 that PS1 gets much of an edge, and it lasts for about a year before it too dies.  So Wii and PS1 have almost the same sales curve with Wii having a bigger year 2 and 3 while PS1 maintained relevance for about 1 more year.


Except the Wii(a case,infact 3/4 year then no more interest on it),it is interesting to notice how the nintendo's home console trend goes worse in worse every gen...does wiiU will hold the trend?

it is early to say,but the first two year are not so encouragous...



drake_tolu said:
ivanthebike said:

Creed is a noun not a verb,use believe or think,it's much better

Thanks.


You are welcome ;)



Around the Network
ivanthebike said:
drake_tolu said:
ivanthebike said:


You are welcome ;)

But you are the "ivanthebike85" of Multiplayer.it? :D

 

Ma tu sei lo stesso Ivanthebike di multuplayer.it? :D



The best console of all time versus Nintendo's third or fourth best? There's one hell of an easy choice.



TheLastStarFighter said:
DerNebel said:

Yeah, you're ignoring a little something here: the PS2.

The Wii had sold 80% of its lifetime numbers at the end of 2010 (calendar year not fiscal) with its successor still 2 years of, the PS1 had shipped just over 70% of its lifetime numbers at the end of FY 99 when the PS2 was already out in Japan. The PS1 continued to sell 30 million more units with the PS2 already on the market, the Wii only managed to sell 20mil (not even 4mil since the launch of the Wii U) more even though the Wii U didn't come out for 2 more years.

Good job sidetracking.  So you agree that the PS1 and Wii have extremely similar sales lives?  The sales of Wii U and PS2 have nothing to do with it.  Further, as I've said in this thread, the successor to Wii from the mass-market perspective was the PS360.  Most consumers don't care about the brand.  They bought a Wii, then they bought a PS360 once they became cheaper and they had an HDTV making the systems worthwhile.  PS360 post-2010 has more practical relevance to Wii in the way that PS2 did to PS1 than Wii U ever had.

Sidetracking, yeah right...

The PS2 is extremely relevant to this, do you seriously believe that the PS1 would have dropped 50% in FY00 had the PS2 not been available? Also your "people went the Wii from to PS360" point as a reason for the Wiis drop is ridiculously weak, the Wii was always aimed at a completely different audience from the PS360.



TheLastStarFighter said:
binary solo said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Wii didn't have terrible legs so much as PS2 had really good ones. Wii's life was much like PS1's and other gen leaders before. Gen 7 was like two gens, where first people jumped from PS2 to Wii and then from Wii to PS360 when they (and HDTV's) became cheaper.

I don't think so. Wii grabbed an entirely new audience for the most part. I reckon Wii's install base is lodskool Nintendo fans (~25 million), blue bcean one generation wonders (~65 million), PS2 owners (~10 million) Xbox owners (~2 million). PS360 more or less shared the PS2box user base equally, with that 12 million who went to Wii going back to PS360 late in the generation, and some of the blue ocean going to 360 when Kinect because the new casual craze, in the USA.

You're getting very specific with numbers despite having nothing to base it on.  There certainly were some blue ocean people who picked up Wii's, but the ridiculously high sales of games like MKWii, NSMBWii and other classic style games - along with the major hype in the gaming community that existed during Wii's launch (remember the long lines at e3 2006?) and the slow early sales of PS360 tells me that the bulk of Wii's success came from the "mass market" portion of the gaming community.  People that grew up with NES or SNES but moved on to PS2's decided to give the more adult, sleek and high-tech looking Wii a try after skipping the purple gamecube.  Nostalgia was big in pushing Wii, and Nintendo was ahead of the curve with online service and the Virtual Console was a big selling point for these displaced older Nintendo fans.  But once homes got HDTV's and cool titles from 3rd parties (like COD and GTA) were only available on PS360, those same consumers began to pick up a new, more powerful console.  Those same consumers were also slow to look at Wii U as a worthwile update to their PS360.

This is what I've observed en masse in my part of Canada and it makes perfect sense.  Those that say the bulk of Wii owners were nursing home folks who bought it for Wii Sports have nothing to support this.  Wii's attach rate was similar to other systems, with average consumers buying over 9 games while PS2, PS3 and 360 owners buy just over 10 games.  To me this suggests the portion of grandma's who bought Wii for Wii bowling was about 10%.

 

Ps2+xb sold 181 millions in total and xbox360+ps3 sold 165 millions and ps3 and xbox360 install base still growing that's why i don't think many wii owner bought a ps3 or xbox360



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

The Wii was nice, despite very little(real game) 3rd party support but how can any gamer(that has played both) choose the Wii over the PS2? Content is king.



Getting an XBOX One for me is like being in a bad relationship but staying together because we have kids. XBone we have 20000+ achievement points, 2+ years of XBL Gold and 20000+ MS points. I think its best we stay together if only for the MS points.

Nintendo Treehouse is what happens when a publisher is confident and proud of its games and doesn't need to show CGI lies for five minutes.

-Jim Sterling