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QuintonMcLeod on 29 July 2014
BeElite said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
BeElite said:1 More peopel gaming on more platforms is not market shrinking, Xbox and PS set all time records.  People just use the myth of marlet shrinking as a way to excuse wiiu sales failure.  

Sure they are down if you exclude digital lol.  Lets see how software sales when there some actual software to sale, or did you ecpect killzone and Titanfall to sael liek Uncharted and Halo ?

Xbox failure is easily explained, has nothing to do with any notion of people caring less about videogames.  PS4 is ahead of the PS2 in NA, likely far ahead in Europe due to gaming growth there.  Marlet is not shrinking, Nintedo just failed this gen and MS decided to shoot it self in the foot with a shootgun.

2 maybe, but focusing on females will not save wiiu sales.  


But the market is shrinking. Don't you even care to research this stuff?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/game-console-market-shrinking-185734511.html

http://www.statista.com/chart/2345/video-game-console-sales/

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/

A new report from market research firm NPD shows that only 29% of “core gamers” will purchase the next generation of gaming consoles right after they are released.

And then goes the xbox setting a record for its brand and PS4 sets all time console record.  LOL Guess only 29% is quite enough. 

And sales drop during a gen swich over, no way.

PS4 is ahead of PS2 in sales, X1 in not sure and once agian market contraction is only due to Wiius failure.  


Seems as though you missed this piece here:
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Here’s NPD’s official data on console market sales in North America for January 2007 – i.e. after the last generation of flagship consoles launched back in the 2006 holiday season:

Wii: 436,000
360: 294,000
PS3: 244,000
PS2: 299,000
NDS: 239,000
PSP: 211,000
GBA: 179,000
GC: 34,000

Add those numbers up and the total sales figure is just shy of 2 million.

Now here’s an equivalent list of sales for consoles this January (not an official list, since as noted above much of this data is not being officially released, but rather these figures are drawn from leaked NPD subscriber data – with further caveats being that NPD doesn’t like subscribers leaking its data so releases slightly different figures to try to identify leakers, hence the lack of concrete numbers for certain consoles):

PS4: 271,000
XB1: 141,000
3DS: ~97,000
PS3: ~53,500
Wii U: ~49,000
360: ~48,500
Vita: ~17,000

Add the January 2014 figures up and the tally is closer to 700,000. So that’s 2 million vs. ~700K — a very big market contraction, even if some of those sales figures are underestimates.



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BeElite on 29 July 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:

Seems as though you missed this piece here:

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I to can cherry pick numbers to suit my point, nice article.

ndp March 2007 vs 2014

wii 259k   PS4 280
360 199   XB1 258 
PS3 130   wiiu 82k

588 to 620

Even with the wiiu sales failings, 2014 wins.  As i said the market looks to be contracting due to wiiu.  

 



QuintonMcLeod on 29 July 2014
McDonaldsGuy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


1) Mario Kart 8 has been in the Top 10 worldwide for 2 months now. That's _worldwide_ mind you - meaning MK8 has been in the top 10 in every region for 2 months. No one is saying Mario Kart 8 is all Nintendo needs from here on out. However, to pretend Mario Kart 8 isn't doing anything for the Wii U, let alone Nintendo themselves, is very short sighted. You also claim the Wii U is selling poorly. I'd say, in this present time, the Wii U is finally selling at acceptable numbers. So, it's no longer selling poorly. It's selling better than the Xbone.

2) You're very confused. The PS2 hype didn't kill the Dreamcast at all. The Dreamcast was still a commercial success. Sega simply went out of business. The Jaguar is a failed console. The Virtual Boy is a failed console. The 3D0 is a failed console. The Dreamcast is NOT a failed console. 

3) The point of the link was to show you that Nintendo's female-centric strategy is already active. Will Animal Crossing come to the Wii U? Of course it will. Will other female-centric games from Nintendo hit the Wii U? Eventually. To assume Nintendo isn't going target the female market is just silly - especially after Nintendo has already shown their plans to do so.

4) The only FPS I've seen that pushed consoles was Halo. A large library of FPS could potentionally push consoles, but outside of Halo, this is certainly not the case.

5) Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were the only FPS from Nintendo. Turok was from Acclaim and the rest are old PC ports. The Xbox and the X360 had way more FPS than what the N64 had. 

A lot of what you're saying is based on wild assumptions and misinformed opinions. You should honestly research some of the stuff you're saying so you can get an idea of whats really going on.


The Dreamcast was not a commercial success. Well, I guess it was at the beginning - but by the PS2 was announced and gaining popularity, the Dreamcast was done for.

Sega literally couldn't even GIVE AWAY Dreamcasts by mid-2000. Watch the history of Dreamcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMAg46zaRbs

Sony wasn't the ONLY thing that killed the Dreamcast, but Sony was definitely the main slayer. Even if Sega had money, there was no way the Dreamcast was going to survive that generation.

And yes, I know Nintendo is female-centric with the 3DS. It says so in my OP.

And I said on the Nintendo 64. Nintendo didn't necessarily have to publish them. 


1) The Dreamcast still sold.

2) I watched the video and they didn't explain how the Dreamcast died. They just showed that the PS2 trumped the Dreamcast, but it certainly didn't kill it! The GC nor the Xbox were killed off by the PS2, so why would the Dreamcast? The reason the Dreamcast died was because Sega couldn't afford to keep itself afloat. When Sega went out of business, they still had Dreamcasts in stock. That's what the video was glossing over. Of course, there's several reasons why Sega went out of business, and some of the things that hampered the sales of the Dreamcast, but nothing that suddenly made the system irrelevant aside from Sega going bankrupt.

3) This is your opinion. If Sega had money, it would take more than the PS2 to kill off the Dreamcast. Remember that the GC and the Xbox both survived that generation.

4) Not with just the 3DS.

5) Right.



QuintonMcLeod on 29 July 2014
BeElite said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Seems as though you missed this piece here:

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I to can cherry pick numbers to suit my point, nice article.

ndp March 2007 vs 2014

wii 259k   PS4 280
360 199   XB1 258 
PS3 130   wiiu 82k

588 to 620

Even with the wiiu sales failings, 2014 wins.  As i said the market looks to be contracting due to wiiu.  

 


Are you kidding? There are 3 articles I presented to you from reputable sources. Each of them giving you statistical data with graphs and numbers and you're still pulling this stunt? LOL. Amazing. 

In 2008, the US video game market stood at over 20 billion. In 2010, it went down to 18 billion. Today, it's at 17 billion. The UK was at 6.8 billion back in 2008. In 2010, it shrunk very sharply to 3.8 billion. Now, it rests at 3.6 billion. Japan stood at 6.4 billion in 2008. In 2010, it increased to 20 billion (possibly due to mobile gaming since console gaming in that region is at an all time low). Today it rests at 22 billion. 

Sources:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=356585
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_industry
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/04/30/japans-gaming-hardware-sales-fall-to-a-five-year-low/

We're done here. If you wish to stay in denial, be my guest. I made my point and there's little you can say to counter it. Good day to you, sir.



Tamron on 29 July 2014

Nintendo need to be aggressive like they were in the 90s, aggressive nintendo was the best nintendo.



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McDonaldsGuy on 29 July 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:


1) The Dreamcast still sold.

2) I watched the video and they didn't explain how the Dreamcast died. They just showed that the PS2 trumped the Dreamcast, but it certainly didn't kill it! The GC nor the Xbox were killed off by the PS2, so why would the Dreamcast? The reason the Dreamcast died was because Sega couldn't afford to keep itself afloat. When Sega went out of business, they still had Dreamcasts in stock. That's what the video was glossing over. Of course, there's several reasons why Sega went out of business, and some of the things that hampered the sales of the Dreamcast, but nothing that suddenly made the system irrelevant aside from Sega going bankrupt.

3) This is your opinion. If Sega had money, it would take more than the PS2 to kill off the Dreamcast. Remember that the GC and the Xbox both survived that generation.

4) Not with just the 3DS.

5) Right.

Lol did you miss the part where they were like "and the lights went out" and the Dreamcasts were in warehouses and weren't selling - which you mentioned? Sega HAD Dreamcasts ready to be shipped - there was simply no demand for the Dreamcast... this is a fact. However, even worse was this: Software sales. The software sales for the Dreamcast were also abysmal, and Shenmue was a flop that also did Sega in.

The reason the Xbox and GameCube barely survived is simple: Due to their exclusives and technology and the fact they released a year AFTER the PS2 hype train was in full force. The Dreamcast sold VERY well at first, but by mid-2000 Dreamcast was doomed, and partially because of the PS2 hype train.

The Dreamcast was doomed the second it was released. At the most, it would have survived into 2002.

Mainly the 3DS. If Nintendo wants the Wii U to be a success they are going to have to target different demographics.



QuintonMcLeod on 29 July 2014
McDonaldsGuy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


1) The Dreamcast still sold.

2) I watched the video and they didn't explain how the Dreamcast died. They just showed that the PS2 trumped the Dreamcast, but it certainly didn't kill it! The GC nor the Xbox were killed off by the PS2, so why would the Dreamcast? The reason the Dreamcast died was because Sega couldn't afford to keep itself afloat. When Sega went out of business, they still had Dreamcasts in stock. That's what the video was glossing over. Of course, there's several reasons why Sega went out of business, and some of the things that hampered the sales of the Dreamcast, but nothing that suddenly made the system irrelevant aside from Sega going bankrupt.

3) This is your opinion. If Sega had money, it would take more than the PS2 to kill off the Dreamcast. Remember that the GC and the Xbox both survived that generation.

4) Not with just the 3DS.

5) Right.

Lol did you miss the part where they were like "and the lights went out" and the Dreamcasts were in warehouses and weren't selling - which you mentioned? Sega HAD Dreamcasts ready to be shipped - there was simply no demand for the Dreamcast... this is a fact. However, even worse was this: Software sales. The software sales for the Dreamcast were also abysmal, and Shenmue was a flop that also did Sega in.

The reason the Xbox and GameCube barely survived is simple: Due to their exclusives and technology and the fact they released a year AFTER the PS2 hype train was in full force. The Dreamcast sold VERY well at first, but by mid-2000 Dreamcast was doomed, and partially because of the PS2 hype train.

The Dreamcast was doomed the second it was released. At the most, it would have survived into 2002.

Mainly the 3DS. If Nintendo wants the Wii U to be a success they are going to have to target different demographics.


You need to do more than just watch videos to learn your history. You should actually do some serious reading. Right now you're just spewing nonsense based on loose facts and silly conjecture. You really wanna know about what happened to the Dreamcast? Read this:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132517/the_rise_and_fall_of_the_dreamcast.php?print=1

Educate yourself first and be sure to back up what you say with facts. Provide multiple links to support your thesis, and conversations like this won't be so long and winded.

 

Have a good day, sir.



DarkRPGamer007 on 29 July 2014

I think if Smash Bros releases a week before Black Friday the sales will be above 150k, and then this holiday the console will push 3.5-4m units. Hopefully next year there's an 80-90k baseline, and then titles like those will help



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McDonaldsGuy on 29 July 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


1) The Dreamcast still sold.

2) I watched the video and they didn't explain how the Dreamcast died. They just showed that the PS2 trumped the Dreamcast, but it certainly didn't kill it! The GC nor the Xbox were killed off by the PS2, so why would the Dreamcast? The reason the Dreamcast died was because Sega couldn't afford to keep itself afloat. When Sega went out of business, they still had Dreamcasts in stock. That's what the video was glossing over. Of course, there's several reasons why Sega went out of business, and some of the things that hampered the sales of the Dreamcast, but nothing that suddenly made the system irrelevant aside from Sega going bankrupt.

3) This is your opinion. If Sega had money, it would take more than the PS2 to kill off the Dreamcast. Remember that the GC and the Xbox both survived that generation.

4) Not with just the 3DS.

5) Right.

Lol did you miss the part where they were like "and the lights went out" and the Dreamcasts were in warehouses and weren't selling - which you mentioned? Sega HAD Dreamcasts ready to be shipped - there was simply no demand for the Dreamcast... this is a fact. However, even worse was this: Software sales. The software sales for the Dreamcast were also abysmal, and Shenmue was a flop that also did Sega in.

The reason the Xbox and GameCube barely survived is simple: Due to their exclusives and technology and the fact they released a year AFTER the PS2 hype train was in full force. The Dreamcast sold VERY well at first, but by mid-2000 Dreamcast was doomed, and partially because of the PS2 hype train.

The Dreamcast was doomed the second it was released. At the most, it would have survived into 2002.

Mainly the 3DS. If Nintendo wants the Wii U to be a success they are going to have to target different demographics.


You need to do more than just watch videos to learn your history. You should actually do some serious reading. Right now you're just spewing nonsense based on loose facts and silly conjecture. You really wanna know about what happened to the Dreamcast? Read this:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132517/the_rise_and_fall_of_the_dreamcast.php?print=1

Educate yourself first and be sure to back up what you say with facts. Provide multiple links to support your thesis, and conversations like this won't be so long and winded.

 

Have a good day, sir.

It is a well known FACT the Dreamcast had extremely poor sales. The reason Sega was also losing a lot of money was because the hardware wasn't profitable - the reason this was is because they had to keep the costs low in order to try and compete with Nintendo and Sony. However, even when the Dreamcast was dirt cheap it was not selling units at all. 

Even your own article talks about the PS2 being a reason for the Dreamcast losing: "Before the end of 2000, however, Sega's Dreamcast found itself in trouble. Sony's original PlayStation grabbed a majority of console market share, and the PS2 was building substantial press for its October 26, 2000 North American launch. Even though the PS2 launched in spring in Japan with only six titles -- all of which were unimpressive -- Sony capitalized again and again on Sega's perceived weaknesses.

From trumpeting the PS2's Emotion Engine processor and partnering with Steven Spielberg in trade shows, to getting EA's support, to corralling 29 games for launch day, Sony, most importantly of all, outspent Sega in marketing dollars."

"In September of 2000, one year after the North America launch, Sega's American executives came to a realization. Despite initial great sales in North America, Sega lacked the marketing dollars to compete with Sony and Nintendo, and it was witnessing Sony's arrival even before it had arrived, with decreased sales going into the fall season. Additionally, Sega heard rumors that Microsoft, which had partnered with Sega to make its Windows CE platform work on Dreamcast, planned on entering the business."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1145936.stm

"Slow sales of Dreamcast in the Christmas season hurt the company's earnings.

Sega sold a total of 2.32m units of Dreamcast hardware in the April-December period, down 44% from its initial forecast.

Sony's popular Playstation has undermined Sega's sales."

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/17/consoles-that-wont-die-the-sega-dreamcast/

"The Dreamcast couldn’t compete with the power of the PlayStation brand, as Sony’s new machine — with its built-in DVD player – began a journey that would eventually see sales of 150 million consoles. In contrast, the Dreamcast managed to sell just over 8 million sales during its short lifetime."

http://www.cnet.com/news/sega-dreamcast-gamings-most-magnificent-failure-video/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/games/2001-01-23-dreamcast.htm

U.S. sales of Dreamcast, launched in the fall of 1999, totaled 4.5 million through December, running below the company's plan to reach 7.5 million units by March 31, according to The Gartner Group, a research company based in San Jose, Calif.

Many factors went into the Dreamcast's demise.... marketing budget of course, debt, poor management, low software sales, no money, and the PS2. Etc. etc. The Dreamcast sliced its price time and time again (which of course caused Sega to lose money) yet the Dreamcast STILL wasn't selling.

The Wii U is selling WORSE than the Dreamcast did. And it's not as profitable as it should be. The Dreamcast was actually a great machine that was ahead of its time yet outdated at the same time (focused on online gaming, but came with a 56K modem, had great 3D games but only one analog stick, had great graphics but couldn't compete with Xbox/GC/PS2, etc. etc.). 

The Wii U has a chance though to make a comeback, but Nintendo is going to have to make changes. One of those changes is to look at different demographics. Nintendo has admitted that they wanted to go after the hardcore gamer demographic with the Wii U. But the fact is hardcore gamers have rejected Nintendo pretty much. One of the ways Nintendo can get some of those gamers back is to get Retro Studios to make the kiler app we know they can. Also, to give gamers want they want: 3D open world Super Mario like 64 and Galaxy, a Zelda with OOT/TP style graphics, games out faster period, etc. etc.

If I were Nintendo, I would honestly just save screw it and release a new console in 2015 with Zelda as a launch title.



KLXVER on 29 July 2014
McDonaldsGuy said:

If I were Nintendo, I would honestly just save screw it and release a new console in 2015 with Zelda as a launch title.


Yeah, that would make the people who bought a WiiU this holiday very happy...