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WolfpackN64 on 27 July 2014
AnthonyW86 said:

Sorry to say but this post is really anti-Isreal:

You completely ingnored the fact that the Jewish accepted and celebrated the UN's decisision for a two state solution, and it was the Palestinians that started the civil war.

You don't even mention the attack of four neighbour Arab state on Israel the day the British mandate ended, an attack that was suppose to completely obliterate the Jewish state.

It was not the militarisation of Israel that caused the six day war, it was the mobilisation of troops bij Arab states that led Israel to initiate a suprise attack.

And the list goes on and on.

You don't even mention that Hamas is a  terrorist organisation witch is in control of Gaza, seeking complete destruction of the state of Israel.

So everyone please ignore this biased piece and do you're own reading, Wikipedia's pages on both the state of Israel and the state of Palestine containt more than enough info on the history of the region.

 

Just to make clear i think Israel is going way to far with their current attacks, but the way people are starting to forget history and Israel's place in the middle east(only western democracy there) is becoming really dangerous.

If some minority suddenly got half of my country, I'd try to take it back too. They should have gone for a single secular state solution, but now we have the disgruntled and sometimes extremist Palestinians fighting facist zionists.



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o_O.Q on 27 July 2014
AnthonyW86 said:

Sorry to say but this post is really anti-Isreal:

You completely ingnored the fact that the Jewish accepted and celebrated the UN's decisision for a two state solution, and it was the Palestinians that started the civil war.

You don't even mention the attack of four neighbour Arab state on Israel the day the British mandate ended, an attack that was suppose to completely obliterate the Jewish state.

It was not the militarisation of Israel that caused the six day war, it was the mobilisation of troops bij Arab states that led Israel to initiate a suprise attack.

And the list goes on and on.

You don't even mention that Hamas is a  terrorist organisation witch is in control of Gaza, seeking complete destruction of the state of Israel.

So everyone please ignore this biased piece and do you're own reading, Wikipedia's pages on both the state of Israel and the state of Palestine containt more than enough info on the history of the region.

 

Just to make clear i think Israel is going way to far with their current attacks, but the way people are starting to forget history and Israel's place in the middle east(only western democracy there) is becoming really dangerous.


yes everyone, please use wikipedia to get a clear understanding of historical events...



o_O.Q on 27 July 2014
osed125 said:
goulibouli said:

I read most of the comment. I won't respond to any since not one has been able to argue against officials facts and reports from both UN, Israel and Palestine which I'm using. You are free to share your own version however.

But please let's not make it about "Israhell" or "Hamas terrorists" these are used up buzzwords and completely unfactual tropes being repeated like parrots with not grounded value or truth.

Your posts is a history lesson, there are a few things I'm not sure if they are correct or not, but I sadly don't have the time to make research. 

In any case, history lessons aren't really meaningful if you want to talk about the current conflict, you know about the origins of the conflict and why it has been like that for almost 60 years, but it doesn't talk about the things that are happening as we speak about Hamas and the IDF. And if you want 100% factual arguments, then there's no point in making this thread in the first place....the only way would be waiting a few years when this current conflict is well documented and researched.

By the way: "Following the alleged kidnapping of three Israelis teenagers that has now been declared to have nothing to do with the Hamas" where did you find this info? who made that official statement?


he's right it has been confirmed : http://www.imemc.org/article/68628

Reminds me of the supposed weapons of mass destruction that led to the murder of a million iraqis along with other serious continuing issues yet people still tend to believe the lies they are fed by the mainstream media

http://libcom.org/news/fallout-us-seige-fallujah-worse-hiroshima%E2%80%99s-19082010

http://rt.com/news/uranium-birth-defects-fallujah-729/

 

you have substantial evidence like this and everyone just continues on their way swallowing the nonsense

...if you ask me people really need to wake the fuck up



o_O.Q on 27 July 2014
Ashadian said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Sorry to say but this post is really anti-Isreal:

You completely ingnored the fact that the Jewish accepted and celebrated the UN's decisision for a two state solution, and it was the Palestinians that started the civil war.

You don't even mention the attack of four neighbour Arab state on Israel the day the British mandate ended, an attack that was suppose to completely obliterate the Jewish state.

It was not the militarisation of Israel that caused the six day war, it was the mobilisation of troops bij Arab states that led Israel to initiate a suprise attack.

And the list goes on and on.

You don't even mention that Hamas is a  terrorist organisation witch is in control of Gaza, seeking complete destruction of the state of Israel.

So everyone please ignore this biased piece and do you're own reading, Wikipedia's pages on both the state of Israel and the state of Palestine containt more than enough info on the history of the region.

 

Just to make clear i think Israel is going way to far with their current attacks, but the way people are starting to forget history and Israel's place in the middle east(only western democracy there) is becoming really dangerous.


I can tell from your response that your a total media sheep! You have no idea what is going on but just believe the status quo and propaganda. Israel don't want peace because they want the land. Maybe you should watch  independent news? Why are Jews and Israel's condemning Israeli occupation of Gaza? Maybe you should take on the views of unbiased media/people who don't have agendas and arms deals etc. I suggest you read up on Miko Paled(the generals son) Israeli and ex IDF!  

there is no such thing as an unbiased person/person without an agenda

i think what is truly important is finding accounts of history that have the least distortion to them but that is a very challenging task in itself

and i think this quote is relevent here : history is written by the victors

and victors have the task of painting themselves in a positive light and denigrating those who they won against



MegaManX on 27 July 2014

I think at this point the only way that we will truly have piece in the region is to drop a massive...shipment of PS4's and let them take out their aggressions with some Destiny, sold separately.



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goulibouli on 27 July 2014
Werix357 said:
Most people commenting here have absolutely no idea about whats going over there. I lived in Israel for 3 years or more and I find it surprising how many people "know" who's right and who's wrong.

Has anybody here stopped to think that maybe both the Israeli's and Palestinians are wrong?

The fact is human beings are faulty creatures, far from perfect and many of us are far to quick to react to in hate to anything or anyone who offends us.

Remember almost all news is biased, as it is the production of faulty human beings.


There is only one truth: no civilians are wrong, unless they hate, but still they don't take decision or kill.

In Israel there are lots of people opposed to the government action, but there's also lots of people supporting them and some having racist views against blacks or arabs. In Palestine, people chose to elect, democratically Hamas, but some oppose their archaïc views other support them as being resistent, other wrongully have antisemitic views.

Unfortunately most people arguing in the rest of the world, are making it about pro-Israel vs Pro-Palestine because they only react to what medias say or show, when in the end, it's a matter of politic, geopolitic, humanism and international law. The UN has been clear and competent official organizations have been clear.



HylianSwordsman on 27 July 2014

This seems like a very incomplete account of events. So I don't think it merits the title "full explanation". I'm more confused after reading it than I was before...



Aielyn on 27 July 2014
KingofTrolls said:

Your post was a little vague, but I'm assuming that you're supporting my point, rather than attacking it.

I just wanted to respond to this pic, because I can't help but wonder... is it possible that the IDF is conflating "Hamas" with "Palestine"? That is, is it just assumed that, if rockets or mortars are used from Palestine, it must be Hamas? After all, there are other groups in Palestine that also have weapons. Could the continued attacks be coming from one of those groups, instead?

It doesn't entirely justify any viewpoint, as Hamas rejected a number of ceasefires, etc. But perhaps it might explain how Hamas can say they'll support a ceasefire or humanitarian window, and the rockets continue. Kind of like how Hamas rejected the idea that they were the ones who kidnapped those three Israeli teens - Hamas would have loved to take credit (at least for the kidnapping part, not the end result), if they had done it.



Fifaguy360 on 27 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
generic-user-1 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Terrible how it has developed like this. What makes it even worse is than it isn't likely to end soon or well.


it will end soon, israel will end this conflict or lose the help from the west.

the real fight is fought inside israel, hardcore jews against modern jews.

a big part of the population isnt happy, the radical settlers are doing everything to start a big war for a great israel, the modern jews are tired of the war and pissed because the settlements are very costly and a reason for the rockets.

I really doubt it will end soon. Israel can't end it. They probably could go into Gaza and murder everyone in there, but that wouldn't end it that would just intensify it. How would all the over Arab/Muslim populations in that region react if Israel were to do that?

They wouldn't do anything just like how they're standing and watching the show just like everyone else is right now.



starcraft on 27 July 2014
HylianSwordsman said:
This seems like a very incomplete account of events. So I don't think it merits the title "full explanation". I'm more confused after reading it than I was before...

Yes I was tempted to change his title to "A Brief, incomplete and broadly unsubstantiated history of the Israel-Palestine Conflice" but then I thought that would be a bit rude



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