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What would you be playing on in a Sony+MS DRM world?

Wii U baby, gotta support... 145 48.66%
 
Who cares I want my Halo/... 61 20.47%
 
PC all the way... but i'm not a hypocrit! 78 26.17%
 
Mobile games = Teh Futcha 1 0.34%
 
PSV / 3DS would get all my love 13 4.36%
 
Total:298
baloofarsan said:
IkePoR said:

Let's not forget:

*Any disc based game is useless after installation.  Requiring the publishers permission to trade in a game (at participating retailers only)

*24 hour check ins... "as if you're an ex-con, and Microsoft's the fucking parole board"[Jim Sterling]

*Required broadband connection

*$100 peripheral no one asked for required Kinect required

I think MS "communicated" everything juuuust fine.

All this except for the Kinect is true if you buy games at Steam too, yet the internet-mob loves Steam.

Steam has always had lower prices than retailers, not to mention Steam sales.  MS(as well as Sony and Nintendo) is guilty of pricing digital games the same as retail.

Steam gets  a lot of heat for DRM but it's not an issue because it's a PC based seller.  Not to mention Steam competes with other digital sellers for your dollar.  You don't have to buy from Steam, you choose to - and not in a "don't like it, don't buy it" devil's advoate way.  You legitamatly can choose who you want to buy from.  It's not just "The Steam Store" on a PC.

You can do mods/expansions that you can't do on any console.  

Upgrading isn't a thing with Steam games.  You download a game in 2008 and get a new PC in 2014, you still have that game.  Not so with consoles that lack backward compatability.

Finally, in many cases, games that need patches on consoles may never get them, or they get them in an untimely fashion.  While a Steam game gets patches a week after launch from some fan who just fiddled with the games code a bit.



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IkePoR said:
baloofarsan said:
IkePoR said

 

Steam has always had lower prices than retailers, not to mention Steam sales.  MS(as well as Sony and Nintendo) is guilty of pricing digital games the same as retail.

This is really strange: only checked Watchdogs - €60 on Steam, €70 on Xbox download, and yet you can buy disc-based trough Amazon for €60 (even cheaper if you buy from UK) I could not get the US prices. It is like MS do not really want to go digital.

Steam gets  a lot of heat for DRM but it's not an issue because it's a PC based seller.

Why not an issue?

 Not to mention Steam competes with other digital sellers for your dollar.  You don't have to buy from Steam, you choose to - and not in a "don't like it, don't buy it" devil's advoate way.  You legitamatly can choose who you want to buy from.  It's not just "The Steam Store" on a PC.

Where do you buy NEW AAA non-indie games?

You can do mods/expansions that you can't do on any console.

True. 

Upgrading isn't a thing with Steam games.  You download a game in 2008 and get a new PC in 2014, you still have that game.  Not so with consoles that lack backward compatability.

I got the impression this was covered by XboxOne originaly.

Finally, in many cases, games that need patches on consoles may never get them, or they get them in an untimely fashion.  While a Steam game gets patches a week after launch from some fan who just fiddled with the games code a bit.





baloofarsan said:
Talal said:

Would have pissed me off a bit since I sometimes trade games with my friends, but I don't buy used games so it wouldn't have been that big of a deal for me. I rarely play consoles anymore though so that might be the reason why I wouldn't care that much. I've had a PS4 for more than a month now and I haven't played it once. I also haven't played my Wii U since a bit after Mario Kart came out.

The deal breaker for the Xbox One for me was the online check up thing. Not so much the no used games. So if this scenario of Sony joining MS in killing off used games used the same online check up system then yeah I wouldn't have bought a PS4 probably.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license    (June 06, 2013)

* Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day

* Access your entire games library from any Xbox One

* Share access to your games with everyone inside your home

* Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere

* Trade-in and resell your disc-based games

* Give your games to friends

 

MS had everything covered but were unable to comunicate it with the internet-mob. 

We would have all the pros of a modern system for the cost most of us pay when we use Steam or AppStore.

*EDIT*

it would be even better than Steam as you coud sell your disc-based game, and give it to friends. You can not do that on Steam can you?

Unfortunately, your link doesn't work on my phone, but I remember what was there, and you stopped quoting too early. The link was also heavily edited following the initial 180.

It said that the friend must be on your friends list at least 30 days prior to the gift. The game cannot be gifted more than once, meaning that he fannot even give it back to you when he's done, since the game gets blocked from your download list forever.

It also said that you can selk used games only at participating retailers, which basically meant that everyone outside US/UK gets shafted.

It also said that you must check in daily, but if you activate your account on another console, you must check in hourly.

Etc, etc... So many anti-consumer policies, that the sale of XOne would have probably be prohibited in the EU because they break so many laws and consumer rights.



cpg716 said:

Well. If Sony's plan was similar to what Microsoft was... Nothing would have changed for me. Still would have bought both consoles. Microsoft's plan included the ability to LOAN and TRADE your digital games. So you were able to sell a game you purchased digitally. I don't even do that much used game buying and selling, but having that ability would have likely made me do it more. Much easier to just trade a digital game in then going to a store and having to deal with all that.. There were also going to be way more aggressive digital sales on newer games under Microsofts old policy. Yes, alot of this was just promises and who knows if it would have all came to fruition, but if this is what the policies were going to be.. I would have prefered it.

Microsoft sucked with their messaging on all of this. Everyone freaked out. Somehow everyone is ok with GameStop making money off us, but not Microsoft.

You can trade or sell digital games now, it's not something Microsoft was going to generously give you.



Burek said:
baloofarsan said:
Talal said:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license    (June 06, 2013)

Unfortunately, your link doesn't work on my phone, but I remember what was there, and you stopped quoting too early. The link was also heavily edited following the initial 180.

Yes, but I like the first writing, before the 180º.

It said that the friend must be on your friends list at least 30 days prior to the gift. The game cannot be gifted more than once, meaning that he fannot even give it back to you when he's done, since the game gets blocked from your download list forever.

I remember this and it was a little strange.

It also said that you can selk used games only at participating retailers, which basically meant that everyone outside US/UK gets shafted.

I would be OK with this as this is not a very big deal here in Tier3 country. It is the same with Steam

It also said that you must check in daily, but if you activate your account on another console, you must check in hourly.

Etc, etc... So many anti-consumer policies, that the sale of XOne would have probably be prohibited in the EU because they break so many laws and consumer rights.

You may be right, but I still do not see the big difference to how Steam works.





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Burek said:
cpg716 said:

Well. If Sony's plan was similar to what Microsoft was... Nothing would have changed for me. Still would have bought both consoles. Microsoft's plan included the ability to LOAN and TRADE your digital games. So you were able to sell a game you purchased digitally. I don't even do that much used game buying and selling, but having that ability would have likely made me do it more. Much easier to just trade a digital game in then going to a store and having to deal with all that.. There were also going to be way more aggressive digital sales on newer games under Microsofts old policy. Yes, alot of this was just promises and who knows if it would have all came to fruition, but if this is what the policies were going to be.. I would have prefered it.

Microsoft sucked with their messaging on all of this. Everyone freaked out. Somehow everyone is ok with GameStop making money off us, but not Microsoft.

You can trade or sell digital games now, it's not something Microsoft was going to generously give you.

Huh? How are you trading or selling your digital games? X1 and PS4 do not have this ability. Nor does the PS3 or X360..



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I'm a Wii-U only gamer this generation so, it wouldn't have affected me. But if the industry goes that way as a whole? I'll probably just focus on collecting and playing Atari2600-PS2 era games and living off of those.



prayformojo said:
I'm a Wii-U only gamer this generation so, it wouldn't have affected me. But if the industry goes that way as a whole? I'll probably just focus on collecting and playing Atari2600-PS2 era games and living off of those.


Why not 7th gen?



baloofarsan said:

Etc, etc... So many anti-consumer policies, that the sale of XOne would have probably be prohibited in the EU because they break so many laws and consumer rights.

You may be right, but I still do not see the big difference to how Steam works.



Just an added explanation: Steam does not sell hardware, it is only a US-based service provider.

However, EU courts have mandated that they must allow sale of digital games for EU consumers. I belueve they have a 2015 deadline to comply and set up their service to handle that.