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Ka-pi96 said:
The Fury said:
If they know who you are and that you are doing something like sharing music/films, the companies that own the copyright to those mediums can sue you. No jail but maybe bankruptcy isn't a great prospect.

Not sure if they can though. It does say the music and film industries had a hand in creating these rules, besides Europe's copyright laws have always seemed to favour the individual rather than the company more than in other parts of the world.

They have enough lawyers to find out a way but even if they know they can't win, they can ruin people by just suing. It costs money to form a defence, sometimes more than what the people have. This is the bit that's meant to scare them but this is all just a guess, like you say, maybe they won't bother.



Hmm, pie.

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Ka-pi96 said:

Starting in 2015, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken.

Decriminalised doesn't mean legal or even "effectively legal". What this part here is saying is that it's not a criminal matter anymore - you aren't going to go to jail for filesharing or piracy.

That said, companies would still be able to sue you for copyright infringement, etc, unless I'm mistaken (which I could be - I'm no lawyer).



Good to know the U.S gov't isn't the only one doing stupid shit.



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BreedinBull said:
Get a VPN and never have to worry about anything.


lel.

just lel



Burek said:
It was about time that UK joined in. It is already legal in many countries in Europe, and this is a huge victory for all consumers.

All consumers?  In economics, the definition of a consumer is someone who contributes to the economic system by paying for a product.  This is more like a huge victory for those who want things for free.

How does this benefit those who do pay?



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Ka-pi96 said:
I wonder how this will play out. Sites like megaupload got shut down by America, but now if sites like that are run from the UK they should be fine to just keep sharing stuff. Wouldn't even need to attempt to look legit.


The US can find these guys anywhere. Megaupload wasn't even run from the US and they still managed to hunt the guy down and shutdown his website. In fact if someone wants to create such a website the UK would be the worst place to do it because more so than any other government in the world they would likely turn those people over to the US.



Makes sense. It's an unwinnable fight, so why bother doing anything other than try?

It's one of those things that the industry has to co-opt, rather than destroy. You can beat the file-sharers at their own game, just like the fight between websites and adblock will one day be resolved by websites adopting ad standards that are non-intrusive enough for adblock to let them through. You can't beat it, you might as well get out ahead of it.

Should see some interesting developments in digitally distributed content in the UK soon.



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Ka-pi96 said:
The Fury said:

They have enough lawyers to find out a way but even if they know they can't win, they can ruin people by just suing. It costs money to form a defence, sometimes more than what the people have. This is the bit that's meant to scare them but this is all just a guess, like you say, maybe they won't bother.


I don't think any company would want to bother with it, it likely won't be worth much to them. Besides I'm sure there was a case a few years ago when Nintendo sued because their games were being emulated and they lost because the European courts said the games had originally been purchased and people could do what they want with it after purchase (or something like that).

I was just going to use that example. Basically, Nintendo sued modders for modding Wii and copying games, and lost. Court said that they have no control over their product past the point of sale. They got their money. In this case, modders were even allowed to make a profit, because they were adding to the value of the console.

Modded X360 consoles were always legally sold in Croatia, as long as the modification was billed and VAT paid for.



wilco said:
Ka-pi96 said:
I wonder how this will play out. Sites like megaupload got shut down by America, but now if sites like that are run from the UK they should be fine to just keep sharing stuff. Wouldn't even need to attempt to look legit.


The US can find these guys anywhere. Megaupload wasn't even run from the US and they still managed to hunt the guy down and shutdown his website. In fact if someone wants to create such a website the UK would be the worst place to do it because more so than any other government in the world they would likely turn those people over to the US.

On very shaky legal ground that anything that is not registered with a country's specific domain (like a .co.uk) is an American domain by default (so all .org, .com, .edu domains count as American domains, so America can do what they want with them).

The fact that they haven't managed to stick anything to Dotcom yet shows the limits of America's overreach in that case.



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